Taxi Driver Online

lets get one thing straight I am not biggest, I am increasingly beccoming very concerned at your continual unprooved accusations, and your continual references to me, in your previous e-mail my name should not have been mentioned.

you are employing poor leadership skills.

and my status WAS Questioned!

Wharfie

Leadership skills RAOTFLMFAO

Why do I need to employ leadership skills, Warfie?

Funny isn't it that Warfie hates so much about these forums, he hates drivers having the oppertunity to collect knowledge, he even stopped his own staff from viewing sites.

Very strange that Warfie isn't it, is that because you know only to well that knowledge is power.

B. Lucky

Members of staff are employed to answer telephones and give jobs to the taxis, unlike drivers they get a decent hourly rate, and yes they are not allowed to use the office computer going on site,

I take it your staff are? of ccourse not more mick double standards

seccondly I have given more information on these forums than you have far more and you know it!

Mick you are a hypocrite.

Wharfie

I don't have any staff mate, again you make accusations without any knowledge.

I would also like you to explain why you think that I am in competition to provide any information, I'm not, obviously you were as you used to be the "top poster" on our site, doesn't identify quality though Warfie only quantity.

B. Lucky

Yes Mick I agree these things are difficult to define, the approach is basically take it as it comes.

Some things are clear cut, eg if someone is patently abusive of another person. Or if someone says that an LO in such and such a council is on the take, then that would be deleted, because we can't verify whether the poster is telling the truth or not, however, if the poster is a bit more vague then that's a different story (note I said 'potentially' defamatory on the website, because what we delete may in fact be true, and therefore not defamatory, but from our point of view without having access to the proper facts it has to be 'potentially' defamatory).

Obviously things like disruptiveness and abuse are difficult to call, but we can only do our best. For example, if someone complains to an administrator then obviously more weight will be given to that.

So stick to proven or uncontroversial facts, and opinion, because opinion can't be defamatory.

But it can be abusive - oh dear!!

Dusty

That can be a problem Mick, but I doubt if it is confined to open lists, and can occur from all sides of the various arguments.

These things aren't perfect, and we all know the score by now, we can only do our best, and no one has to visit our site our yours.

But forums are useful, so we have to live with the shortcomings.

Dusty

never said you were in competition! clearly you were not! at least from my point of view.

quantity and quality you got both!

and veriviable sources

Wharfie

Reported posts, members leaving, e-mails like you wouldn't believe wasn't enough evidence to remove members on our site Dusty mate, even though clear warning were also given.

I think you've discovered a few of the problems we encountered and possibly even sympathise on some site issues we also struggled with.

Respect for others is essential Dusty, disagreements are part and parcel but nastyness is unforgivable.

I have greater respect for do'ers than say'ers, this site is a great addition to the web and more taxi forums should be available on-line to accomodate everyones needs.

B. Lucky

Yes, I've always known it's difficult to know where to draw the line, and this has become even more apparent since this site was started.

I know it's difficult for all of us, but can't we now stick to the issues??

Dusty

To me (Ie. that means: in MY humble opinion, to which you are all entitled) I would say that one of the most pressing and basic issues that surounds our trade, is that we are always bitching about each other. Instead of providing a unified front, we present a picture of a highly fragmented industry, working on the edges of the black economy.

The truth is, that PH and Hackney are the same industry, but just different sectors of it, which are unclearly defined. The sooner we move to a single tier system, the sooner we rid ourselves of the Hackney versus PH battle. The public have never fully understood the difference anyway.

Then, we need to get away from the "He's stealing my work syndrome" and the variance in licensing conditions which can only be overcome by abolishing Council control of licensing and putting it in the hands of the Traffic Area Offices of the Dept of Tranport.

So, a consistent set of licensing standards, a consistent legal framework, the same status as PSVs, the same subsidy window, and the ability to ply for hire anywhere one is registered to do so.

Simple innit.

I wonder whether the OFT think so?

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There is Significant Unmet Demand for my Opinion.

Well exactly Andy, the industry has a couple of burning problems, and problems that is unfair to the trade, these are to be covered in A BBC politics show possibly sunday lunchtime. if not over the next 3 weeks

The crew were filming at a taxi office in the North of England yesterday, dont want to spoil it for you by telling the full details, except I think the trade may be united on the issues.

but the trade is fragmented and hopelessly so, on that you are right and it is difficult when its taken personaly, when broad policy is discussed, somehow we lose a sense of fairness.

one cannot make broad forward policy on the personal circumstances of a few, we cannot have for instance a single cab act when over half of the trade opperates in a free market situation. to limit numbers in a few.

We have been promised big changes, but cannot get government to put out proposals let alone give parlamentary time for the changes required

great faith has been put into the OFT report, they promised not once but twice a late summer announcement, THEY BROKE THAT PROMISE

Wharfie

Well Geoff, you are of course right. But please note I didn't say I "expected" such results, only that in my (very humble) opinion, that's what SHOULD happen. As you know, I am an absolute cynic, so I know, of course, that it never WILL happen.

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There is Significant Unmet Demand for my Opinion.

Not quite my sentiments in your two posts Andy, but as close as I've seen.

The biggest problem IMHO is not what would make a good regulatory regime, it's cleaning up the mess that has been made.

Change is never easy, particulary radical change.

Dusty

Any more details on the TV programme Wharfie??

Dusty

Change is indeed inevitible. The OFT ivestigation was to examine the effect of number restrictions on the end user. It was not intended to seek anything else. I think that a awful lot of people will feel let down by the OFT, and their constant delay in publishing their findings hints at the fact that they could well conclude simple changes will not be effective.

WELL WE ALL COULD HAVE TOLD THEM THAT.

I will back any call for unity, I consider the "trade" to consist of two parts of equal standing. Two parts that each offer a slightly different service to accomodate the public's door to door transport needs.

To expand on this issue, we recently called for a single badge policy as both P/H and H/C driving licenses are issued using exactly the same process. You see its impossible for vehicles to unify only the drivers can achieve this and its only on sites like this one and ours that this can be achieved, maybe on a small scale but there all the same.

This is why we chose to have rules and membership criteria, to protect the members from forum bullies.

B. Lucky