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The issue regarding DELTA is that there vehicles are parked up virtually 100% of the time in Liverpool......a different licensing area as you know.

This isn't illegal as you know.

The issue of enforcement is that local authorities already have the power to enforce the law, should those vehicles act illegally. In my view taking this before Transcomm was foolish.



So Delta parking up in Liverpool, is an issue, but isn't illegal, yet you think enforcement is the answer?

Doesn't make sense.


There are lots of places where you can park in Liverpool without obviously plying for hire. It's not illegal to wait in Liverpool but it is illegal to ply for hire, hence the enforcement. Having said that I'm sure Delta cars could park up the road within their boundary and still cover Liverpool centre within 5 mins, so I don' see the need for so many of them sitting around in the city centre. Liverpool cabbies are not the only drivers to suffer at the hands of Delta drivers. It takes us longer to get to Liverpool and our pre booked fares. Delta drivers sit at our chosen pick up points, the rest is speculation :wink:


Wouldn't a change to the law, similar to the CGSA, making it mandatory for licenced HCs and PH to return to their licenced area, make enforcement easier?

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Wouldn't a change to the law, similar to the CGSA, making it mandatory for licenced HCs and PH to return to their licenced area, make enforcement easier?


Perhaps, and to be fair to UNITE, that is what they asked for......although they didnt appear to have any evidence as to how workable in Scotland the legislation was.

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There are lots of places where you can park in Liverpool without obviously plying for hire. It's not illegal to wait in Liverpool but it is illegal to ply for hire, hence the enforcement. Having said that I'm sure Delta cars could park up the road within their boundary and still cover Liverpool centre within 5 mins, so I don' see the need for so many of them sitting around in the city centre. Liverpool cabbies are not the only drivers to suffer at the hands of Delta drivers. It takes us longer to get to Liverpool and our pre booked fares. Delta drivers sit at our chosen pick up points, the rest is speculation :wink:


Yes, but the enforcement aspect has little or nothing to do with the flag of convenience problem :roll:

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Perhaps, and to be fair to UNITE, that is what they asked for......although they didnt appear to have any evidence as to how workable in Scotland the legislation was.

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Well no doubt it isn't perfect, but haven't read any stories on that I can recall, except one concerning Aberdeenshire cars operating in Aberdeen City, so perhaps gusmac could comment on that and whether it was sorted.

But I doubt if there are any Deltas or Berwicks in Scotland, however no doubt someone will be quick to point out if there is.

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Yes, but the enforcement aspect has little or nothing to do with the flag of convenience problem :roll:


Sorry, I didnt respond to your post.

PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.

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PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.


Well thanks for that devastating insight, but it's not really addressing the flag of convenience issue per se.

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There are lots of places where you can park in Liverpool without obviously plying for hire. It's not illegal to wait in Liverpool but it is illegal to ply for hire, hence the enforcement. Having said that I'm sure Delta cars could park up the road within their boundary and still cover Liverpool centre within 5 mins, so I don' see the need for so many of them sitting around in the city centre. Liverpool cabbies are not the only drivers to suffer at the hands of Delta drivers. It takes us longer to get to Liverpool and our pre booked fares. Delta drivers sit at our chosen pick up points, the rest is speculation :wink:


Yes, but the enforcement aspect has little or nothing to do with the flag of convenience problem :roll:


May not, but, plying for hire is still illegal so enforcement is the answer to helping solve that problem. Perhaps as Gusmac suggested "Wouldn't a change to the law, similar to the CGSA, making it mandatory for licenced HCs and PH to return to their licenced area, make enforcement easier?" is part of the solution

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PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.


Well thanks for that devastating insight, but it's not really addressing the flag of convenience issue per se.
You wouldn't have a flag of convenience if all the authorities have to have a knowledge test.... and Hackney's with radios have to be licensed in the same area as the radio company, and vehicle Standards were the same across the country.

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PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.


Well thanks for that devastating insight, but it's not really addressing the flag of convenience issue per se.
You wouldn't have a flag of convenience if all the authorities have to have a knowledge test.... and Hackney's with radios have to be licensed in the same area as the radio company, and vehicle Standards were the same across the country.


And licensing costs the same as well.........

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May not, but, plying for hire is still illegal so enforcement is the answer to helping solve that problem.


Thanks also for that insight, but again it's not really central to the flag of convenience issue.

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Perhaps as Gusmac suggested "Wouldn't a change to the law, similar to the CGSA, making it mandatory for licenced HCs and PH to return to their licenced area, make enforcement easier?" is part of the solution


Self-evidently - as indeed pointed out occassionally for several years on here - but when Gusmac said "make enforcement easier" perhaps what he meant to say is "close the loophole" :wink:

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gusmac wrote:
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PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.


Well thanks for that devastating insight, but it's not really addressing the flag of convenience issue per se.
You wouldn't have a flag of convenience if all the authorities have to have a knowledge test.... and Hackney's with radios have to be licensed in the same area as the radio company, and vehicle Standards were the same across the country.


And licensing costs the same as well.........


To have the same costs I think it would have to be a central body and not a local authority making the charges and issuing the licenses, because, wages and the cost of living varies throughout the the country

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PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.


Well thanks for that devastating insight, but it's not really addressing the flag of convenience issue per se.


No but the Berwick judgement did :roll:

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captain cab wrote:
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PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.


Well thanks for that devastating insight, but it's not really addressing the flag of convenience issue per se.


No but the Berwick judgement did :roll:

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But I was responding to Toots' point regarding PH in Sefton/Liverpool, not Berwick HCs :roll:

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
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PH and HC still need enforced, no matter where they are licensed.


Well thanks for that devastating insight, but it's not really addressing the flag of convenience issue per se.


No but the Berwick judgement did :roll:

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But I was responding to Toots' point regarding PH in Sefton/Liverpool, not Berwick HCs :roll:


I dont think you were, but thanks for the devastating insight ffs

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