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Thank you for bringing 'f*ck' into the debate.

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Indeed, FFS :lol:

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Not much money for care homes and councillors expenses if they go that way. Better earner if they haul all the licenses back in (which are technically worthless) and sell them off to the highest bidders.

As I said, opening this can of worms could f*ck everyone over. Even you.


Thank you for bringing 'f*ck' into the debate.

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You're welcome.
Thanks for highlighting the dumbest idea since the charge of the light brigade. :shock:

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Thanks for highlighting the dumbest idea since the charge of the light brigade. :shock:


Hey no problem......I can highlight deregulation next month if you like :lol:

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Thanks for highlighting the dumbest idea since the charge of the light brigade. :shock:


Hey no problem......I can highlight deregulation next month if you like :lol:

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Stick to the family history CC.

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Stick to the family history CC.


Thought you'd like that bit :wink:

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the initial grant of a taxi license which is determined by a demand survey,

I can only presume you missed that bit on purpose?



Quite the reverse in fact, since it's rare that demand surveys - which are total schecht anway - recommend more than a handful of plates be issued, and somehow I can't see that changing much given the economic climate in the next few years, can you?

Thus this helps cement the cartel, hence your scheme would just further set it in stone. And to that extent it wouldn't raise much anyway, unless you're also proposing the relaxation of the survey methodology. That'd go down well with your fan club :D

Anyway, that wasn't actually what I was alluding to, which was the fact that the diminution of risk regarding derestriction would inflate the plate premium, which was also discussed last time round [-(

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Quite the reverse in fact, since it's rare that demand surveys - which are total schecht anway - recommend more than a handful of plates be issued, and somehow I can't see that changing much given the economic climate in the next few years, can you?

Thus this helps cement the cartel, hence your scheme would just further set it in stone. And to that extent it wouldn't raise much anyway, unless you're also proposing the relaxation of the survey methodology. That'd go down well with your fan club :D

Anyway, that wasn't actually what I was alluding to, which was the fact that the diminution of risk regarding derestriction would inflate the plate premium, which was also discussed last time round [-(


I disagree, I dont have a fan club, but if I did, it would be the greatest fan club in the world.

I think I have already stated this, but I'd rather see a local authority get the money plates are being sold for than the likes of Gary, Alistair and Mad-Jim. Who as stated only wish to help the taxi trade a fraction of the amount they wish to help themselves.

Yes the idea has flaws, but I take it from the hysterics of some, that the idea has merits.

You deliberately missed the following point?

Obviously allowing local authorities to generate income this way would need debate, feedback at the moment does seem positive. It would, for example, be in a local authority’s interest to ensure the taxi market is not flooded with taxi licenses; this would destroy any demand for medallions.

It would also be in the local authority’s best interest for the taxi trade to become successful, something many have little interest in at the moment, the greater the demand for taxis, the greater the demand for medallions.

Furthermore, if local authorities are actually pro-active about the taxi industry becoming more successful in their areas, they will look at fares, rank space and our business in a more positive business like manner.


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Hackney Carriage Proprietor Licence - Random Selection Process


The time period for requests to be included in the random selection process has now closed. The Council has considered any special consideration requests received and those that were accepted were be included in the random selection pool.

The random selection took place on 29 November 2010 in the Town Hall; trade representatives were invited to witness the draw taking place. The random selection identified an appropriate number of people.

Council officers will use licensing records to validate the information submitted in the questionnaires by those people who have been randomly selected.

Following that initial validation, any person selected via the random selection process will be notified in writing and will be asked to provide the following information to the licensing unit :

•Documentary evidence of their ability to finance a purpose built hackney carriage vehicle that is public carriage office approved and less than 2 years old (from the date of first registration). This should be in the form of a bank statement, or similar indicating adequate funds or an approved loan agreement.
•Documentary evidence that they have been working as a hackney carriage or private hire driver for 5 years out of the last 7, immediately prior to 25 October 2010. This should be in the form of tax records (these must indicate that they relate to work as a taxi driver) and relevant accounts.
•A declaration signed in the presence of a solicitor that the information provided is correct - this document will be included with the notification of random selection.
•Passport and licence to provide evidence of identification and current address.

You are strongly advised to give serious consideration to preparation of the above documents to ensure that all documents are readily available should you be one of the people randomly selected.

The licensing unit will expect additional information, to be provided, within 10 working days of receipt of the information request. In circumstances where there is an unavoidable delay in the ability to provide supporting documentation the licensing unit must be immediately notified, following which the licensing unit may agree to extend the period for the documents to be submitted. Any such agreement will be notified in writing.

It is also important that if you are likely to be away from your home address e.g. an extended holiday abroad, visiting relatives etc, that you make arrangements to ensure your mail is forwarded to you.

In the event of any individual not responding promptly within 10 working days to an enquiry regarding random selection, the licensing unit will use reasonable endeavours to contact the person concerned however if this is unsuccessful it will be assumed that the person is no longer interested in being allocated a hackney carriage proprietor's licence.

Where no response has been received then the next person from the random selection process will be contacted, and the individual who has failed to respond will not be re-entered into the random selection pool.


http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200094/taxis_and_minicabs/4802/hackney_carriage_proprietor_licence-random_selection_process

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I think I have already stated this, but I'd rather see a local authority get the money plates are being sold for than the likes of Gary, Alistair and Mad-Jim. Who as stated only wish to help the taxi trade a fraction of the amount they wish to help themselves.


So presumably you'd support the reissue of all plates if you are trying to maximise revenue for all these good causes and stop the profiteers?


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Yes the idea has flaws, but I take it from the hysterics of some, that the idea has merits.


Why would my hysterical laughter lead you to believe that the idea has merits :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




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You deliberately missed the following point?

Obviously allowing local authorities to generate income this way would need debate, feedback at the moment does seem positive. It would, for example, be in a local authority’s interest to ensure the taxi market is not flooded with taxi licenses; this would destroy any demand for medallions.

It would also be in the local authority’s best interest for the taxi trade to become successful, something many have little interest in at the moment, the greater the demand for taxis, the greater the demand for medallions.

Furthermore, if local authorities are actually pro-active about the taxi industry becoming more successful in their areas, they will look at fares, rank space and our business in a more positive business like manner.


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No, I didn't miss that bit, that's where inflating already inflated plate premiums by removing the risk premium comes in.

Did you miss that bit?

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I think I have already stated this, but I'd rather see a local authority get the money plates are being sold for than the likes of Gary, Alistair and Mad-Jim. Who as stated only wish to help the taxi trade a fraction of the amount they wish to help themselves.


So presumably you'd support the reissue of all plates if you are trying to maximise revenue for all these good causes and stop the profiteers?


No.


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Yes the idea has flaws, but I take it from the hysterics of some, that the idea has merits.


Why would my hysterical laughter lead you to believe that the idea has merits :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Because you would appear to be scared of the idea


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You deliberately missed the following point?

Obviously allowing local authorities to generate income this way would need debate, feedback at the moment does seem positive. It would, for example, be in a local authority’s interest to ensure the taxi market is not flooded with taxi licenses; this would destroy any demand for medallions.

It would also be in the local authority’s best interest for the taxi trade to become successful, something many have little interest in at the moment, the greater the demand for taxis, the greater the demand for medallions.

Furthermore, if local authorities are actually pro-active about the taxi industry becoming more successful in their areas, they will look at fares, rank space and our business in a more positive business like manner.


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No, I didn't miss that bit, that's where inflating already inflated plate premiums by removing the risk premium comes in.

Did you miss that bit?


You're presuming a council wont survey demand I guess. You're also guessing.

That aside, if a plate premium is a sign of excess profit.....as the oft and other pro deregulatory reports claim......then this would be addressed by the demand survey.

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That aside, if a plate premium is a sign of excess profit.....as the oft and other pro deregulatory reports claim......then this would be addressed by the demand survey.

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If that were true, plate premiums would be roughly equivelant to the price of a pie and chips.

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If that were true, plate premiums would be roughly equivelant to the price of a pie and chips.


I didn't write the OFT report........but I would like enlightened.

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If that were true, plate premiums would be roughly equivelant to the price of a pie and chips.


I didn't write the OFT report........but I would like enlightened.

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No but you did state that a survey would address it.
Any place that maintains a restriction by survey almost always has a plate premium.
The fact that this premium exists proves the point that surveys do not eliminate excess profit.

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If that were true, plate premiums would be roughly equivelant to the price of a pie and chips.


I didn't write the OFT report........but I would like enlightened.

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No but you did state that a survey would address it.
Any place that maintains a restriction by survey almost always has a plate premium.
The fact that this premium exists proves the point that surveys do not eliminate excess profit.


Can we rewind......what has pie and chips got to do with this, have you bought them at an unregulated cafe?

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captain cab wrote:
Because you would appear to be scared of the idea


:lol:

Where's that photo of the can of worms again?

:lol:


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You're presuming a council wont survey demand I guess. You're also guessing.


I think you're missing the point.

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That aside, if a plate premium is a sign of excess profit.....as the oft and other pro deregulatory reports claim......then this would be addressed by the demand survey.


Isn't it the DfT which makes the opposite point?

Which I think you're missing.

"Caledonian Cabbage" - that's very funny by the way, must be that personality of yours coming through again :lol:

You should change your ID to Captain Charisma :lol:

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