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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:40 am 
well I am glad we have got that right Mick!

I will start a soite when I am good and ready and the market is big enough to hold another, we ought to stick to the current quota?

a site for London,
a secret site
and an open site.
enough choice for now.

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 11:08 am 
Mick wrote:
On that evidence I'm as guilty as sin Claude mate.

I'm so glad you pointed it out for everyone to see.

Pity though that it not the full story, but I suppose that people will see that when they read your account properly.

IB. Lucky


>>"On that evidence I'm as guilty as sin Claude mate.

I'm so glad you pointed it out for everyone to see.

Pity though that it not the full story, but I suppose that people will see that when they read your account properly. <<"

I have come to the conclusion that you have some sort of truth blindness, even when it is set out in black and white before you. That IS the evidence. There is no other evidence.

What is the full story? Other than the mobile phone posts I made about one post on your site.

You banned me for the posts than answered YOUR mobile phone posts. This is what you stated on the public side of the site. In effect you said how dare you treat me like that I am the site owner and I have control of the big button. You were brought to task on the public side by other members regarding the banning, in fact a vote was taken that supported my posts, in general, hands down. You then got so upset that you threatened to take the ball away and close the public side down. That is what you did.

Mick you are proving the liar charge leveled at you for me as you continue with this. You will have no standing left if you keep going.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 2:16 pm 
So Claude you would have everyone believe that prior to your RESRTICTION OF MEMBERSHIP you had an un-blemished record.

What readers of this should be aware of is the history of our "relationship".

Swords were first crossed on TTFUK, where following what you percieved to be anti London biases, you set out on a crusade of destruction. Bear in mind if you will that TTFUK has so far been the most successful forum based website by far, thousands of members, hundreds of contributers, recognition within councils licensing departments the whole 9 yards mate. Then suddenly members stopped posting, but site hits remained, people were logging onto the site but feared the humiliation you would cause them if their viewpoint contradicted yours. So we then were accused of censorship, unfairness and telling lies, someone YOU never mention was responsible for your exclusion Claude, not any of the people you mention in your further abusive posts.

Then due to the demise of TTFUK, Nidge and myself decided to start a new site, to try and take over the principles of TTFUK and recover what had been lost. We considered how to set the site up very seriously indeed, and concluded that no member should be allowed to conduct themselves in such a way where their posts stopped or effected other members from posting. Everyone was invited but we decided that we needed to be strict on content and behaviour, and we were.

Then came the post of Nidges reporting the story of a driver suspended from driving for using his mobile phone. Even your close friend Wharfie stated he didn't know where you were coming from in this issue, similar to the majority of members who expressed a viewpoint. It was at this point I recieved personal messages and e-mails from the members asking if the principles of the site had changed as we were allowing members to personally attack others and abuse them because of their views. It was obvious to us that you sought to cause similar disruption to our site as you did on TTFUK. That Claude is why you had your membership restricted mate, because it was the will of the majority of the members. You can still keep caalling me all the names you want mate, its like water off a ducks back.

I hope you don't have similar ambitions on here though, yet another website using the word taxi but ran by minicab drivers.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:21 pm 
Mick Pollard wrote:
So Claude you would have everyone believe that prior to your RESRTICTION OF MEMBERSHIP you had an un-blemished record.

What readers of this should be aware of is the history of our "relationship".

Swords were first crossed on TTFUK, where following what you percieved to be anti London biases, you set out on a crusade of destruction. Bear in mind if you will that TTFUK has so far been the most successful forum based website by far, thousands of members, hundreds of contributers, recognition within councils licensing departments the whole 9 yards mate. Then suddenly members stopped posting, but site hits remained, people were logging onto the site but feared the humiliation you would cause them if their viewpoint contradicted yours. So we then were accused of censorship, unfairness and telling lies, someone YOU never mention was responsible for your exclusion Claude, not any of the people you mention in your further abusive posts.

Then due to the demise of TTFUK, Nidge and myself decided to start a new site, to try and take over the principles of TTFUK and recover what had been lost. We considered how to set the site up very seriously indeed, and concluded that no member should be allowed to conduct themselves in such a way where their posts stopped or effected other members from posting. Everyone was invited but we decided that we needed to be strict on content and behaviour, and we were.

Then came the post of Nidges reporting the story of a driver suspended from driving for using his mobile phone. Even your close friend Wharfie stated he didn't know where you were coming from in this issue, similar to the majority of members who expressed a viewpoint. It was at this point I recieved personal messages and e-mails from the members asking if the principles of the site had changed as we were allowing members to personally attack others and abuse them because of their views. It was obvious to us that you sought to cause similar disruption to our site as you did on TTFUK. That Claude is why you had your membership restricted mate, because it was the will of the majority of the members. You can still keep caalling me all the names you want mate, its like water off a ducks back.

I hope you don't have similar ambitions on here though, yet another website using the word taxi but ran by minicab drivers.

B. Lucky :twisted:


>>"an un-blemished record."<<
The Likes of you Foster or Nigel arbiters of what constitutes a blemish and a record!!! Are you mad or what. Look at your posts on here!! Strewth!

You yourself wrote a post that said that TTFUK was anti London and mistakes were made.

The abusive posts were directed at London Drivers. So much so that the content had to be wiped as it was libleous. That is a fact

If I put the post up on here that said you lot were afraid of being sued that still wouldn't be enough you would still deny it even when it was set out in black and white.

As regards your site my posts have been put up. There is no abuse and no disruption. You are a liar. It there for all to see.

Your posts and Nigels posts on this site, with swearing and anti london abuse illustrate perfectly what you were about on TTFUK. Have a look at it and see who has been abusive. Your are like a little child who has been caught out with its hand in the sweet jar. "It is not me. It is not my hand." "It is Claude's hand"

"Water off a ducks back"? You input would make a crow blush. It may not matter to you whether you are caught out at being a liar and that show up your personality for what it is.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:59 pm 
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Mick Pollard wrote:
I hope you don't have similar ambitions on here though, yet another website using the word taxi but ran by minicab drivers.

B. Lucky :twisted:


I wondered when someone would raise that one, why didn't you start a new thread instead of tacking it onto the end of a largely unrelated post Mick??

I drive a taxi/HC myself, but I don't really see that what we drive is really relevant - you drive a minicab yourself now, don't you Mick?

Anyway, I prefer the term 'minicab' to refer to what might be loosely called an unregulated PH vehicle(!), ie on the London model, not a licensed PH vehicle, but of course there is a lot of confusion over terminology.

The word 'taxi' is used extensively (particularly by provincial LAs) to refer to HC and PH generically - since you generally use the term HC, then I don't really see how you can object to our generic use of 'taxi'.

I know that the use of terminology is very confusing, but I think the waters were muddied long before we threw in our tuppence worth, hopefully the OFT will address the issue.

Anyway, it was the best domain available :D

Dusty


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That's the crux of the whole matter isnt it. Almost the whole of the public in the whole of the world have no comprehension of the difference between a taxi and a PH car. It used to bother me, but life is too short. I sadly regret, that I simply gave up trying to tell them all, and am as guilty as anyone else now, and call the whole lot Cabs of one sort or another.

Roll on the OFT report, at least it will save us all keep wasting our breath, maybe. I hope.

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Mick Pollard wrote:
I hope you don't have similar ambitions on here though, yet another website using the word taxi but ran by minicab drivers.

B. Lucky :twisted:


Now who could he mean? :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 9:44 pm 
if you are licensed to drive byn a council then you are licensed to drive by a council.
be they minicabs taxis or private hire. who cares.
i dont.

lee boy


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 3:40 am 
It makes no differance what I drive Dusty.

Claude is very good at calling people, I know what I know and I know that I am in no way anti London, I can quantify this statement cause a quarter of my family still live there, some of whom are 3rd generation London Cabbies.

I'm sick and tired of aruing with people who know jack $hit about the problems we are encountering up here, but I know that constantly being called a liar is a complete discrace with no more argument than someone who has consistantly broke the rules and destroyed an awful lot of peoples hard work.

Good luck with the site chaps,

With itchy and scratchy as members your going to need it.

B. Lucky


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 5:04 am 
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what a load of crap!
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You are just as ignorant on the licensing matters. Most London drivers think this and think that. Now that is arrogant. That is at the crux of all this. London drivers are not talking about licensing arrangements that apply around the country and make no comment. But here the likes of you are preoccupied to an unhealthy extent at what London is doing and how you can solve problems that you percieve exist. When you are put in your rightful place you then attack the Capitals drivers as a whole.

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>>"an un-blemished record."<<
The Likes of you Foster or Nigel arbiters of what constitutes a blemish and a record!!! Are you mad or what. Look at your posts on here!! Strewth!

You yourself wrote a post that said that TTFUK was anti London and mistakes were made.

The abusive posts were directed at London Drivers. So much so that the content had to be wiped as it was libleous. That is a fact

If I put the post up on here that said you lot were afraid of being sued that still wouldn't be enough you would still deny it even when it was set out in black and white.

As regards your site my posts have been put up. There is no abuse and no disruption. You are a liar. It there for all to see.

Your posts and Nigels posts on this site, with swearing and anti london abuse illustrate perfectly what you were about on TTFUK. Have a look at it and see who has been abusive. Your are like a little child who has been caught out with its hand in the sweet jar. "It is not me. It is not my hand." "It is Claude's hand"

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what a load of tosh! ok i will hold my hands up i did want ttfuk1 to become a site for the WHOLE of the UK and that was my only mistake! Maurice, i should have seen or rather should have known the outcome before stickin' my nose in, in what goes on down London!

I wanted all drivers to have a voice be they London or otherwise, PH or HC.
I didnt fully realise to what extent you guys hated PH or as you call them "minicabs" so the simple matter of act thing is ok i was wrong! i couldnt expect you guys to get along. BUT you lot taking the stand like you do will mean your own demise we can already see it, and it is a shame you have the right to your trade same as anyone else in the country, but yet you say this has nothing to do with us, well think again... Do you not think that what goes on in our lovely capitol with you HC and the minicabs reflectsback down through the ranks and effects us.. it does you know.
L.O.s all round the country look at rules and regs that are in place by the P.C.O. and dictate them to the hc and ph drivers throughout the boroughs of this country.. and you dont expect them to say anything.... yeh right!
Like i said TTFUK wasnt anti London Maurices it was just ill informed, and unless the differences in the 2 trades can be addressed then the whole shebang of the licensed taxi trade and private hire trade in this country will be in tatters 10 - 15 years from now.

please not e no name calling or sarcasm of any kind in above post lets see what arrives by return....


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 6:31 am 
Mick,
can I congratulate Newcastle on thier first win, well there is always trouble when Londoners and tynesiders meet arnet there? Arsenal last week has sent the papers in a tizzy? theres been more secret news than the game the papers are full of robson offering to resign on the back sheets whilst inside "a manager of a premiership club offered to resign"

the youngsters at newcastle dont score that often shearer the old stager scored half the goals this season.hes scored seven!

The hotel quoted in the press this week is very near Arsenals ground, and teams playing there often stay at this hotel.

secrets Mick is tynesides favorite passtime!
and yet all are in the tabloids to work out, you are the same Mick hiding but leaving a trail right to your door, so what did happen in LONDON last weekend? Arsenal won 3-2, was you there with your relations in London?

So which is the secret premier club? it isnt Aston Villa,

Mick stop picking on Maurice, it doesnt help.

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 10:12 am 
Mick wrote:

I know what I know and I know that I am in no way anti London, I can quantify this statement cause a quarter of my family still live there, some of whom are 3rd generation London Cabbies.

B. Lucky


"F-in cockney's I've $hit em." ????

Note it wasn't something directed at me individualy, something like- Claude I've $hit better than you. That would be acceptable, but no it was aimed at cockneys (Londoners), the population. There is a difference and that difference is what we call prejudice that is anti London.

I hope the family do not find they end up with being flushed away with the rest of us Londoners.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 10:50 am 
Mick wrote:
I'm sick and tired of aruing with people who know jack $hit about the problems we are encountering up here, but I know that constantly being called a liar is a complete discrace with no more argument than someone who has consistantly broke the rules and destroyed an awful lot of peoples hard work.

B. Lucky


I did NOT break any 'rules' of your site. The posts are on here that prove that.

I have also not destroyed your site. YOU have done that by being over officious, over censorious, by being BIASED, prejudiced and believing that you had the big button that could control peoples input.

You have also destroyed it by vetting members to form a small clique of like minds, minus Wharfie of course but even he was subsequently banned!!

If you wanted a happy clappy we are all together in this format you should start up a religious gospel group and not a forum.

Forum; a place or meeting where a [u]PUBLIC [/u] discussion is held.

There is no place for censors or do as I say or else in a public forum, providing public decency is not outraged of course. That is public decency and not Micks idea of what can be said or not said. Don't forget you totally ignored a vote from your own members that said my posts were OK. So don't debase the notion of a forum and democracy.

Get real Mick. Look through the posts. It is you who has made the mistakes that has negated your hard work not me.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 11:13 am 
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please not e no name calling or sarcasm of any kind in above post lets see what arrives by return....


Yes I have noted it. It is just a pity that all of your posts directed at me were not in a similar vain. How many times did you call me a w@nker?

Also I understand about interest in London as a lot of the country may follow Londons lead. But there is a world of difference between factual information and down right falsehoods such as the wheel chair disabled incurring a charge of £10 before a taxi moves off and mere prejudice.

I know you didn't write the post but it is true to say that these sorts of posts did sometimes appear on your site and when I challenged them it was me who was rebuked and censured.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 12:59 pm 
Wharfie wrote:
Mick,
can I congratulate Newcastle on thier first win, well there is always trouble when Londoners and tynesiders meet arnet there? Arsenal last week has sent the papers in a tizzy? theres been more secret news than the game the papers are full of robson offering to resign on the back sheets whilst inside "a manager of a premiership club offered to resign"

the youngsters at newcastle dont score that often shearer the old stager scored half the goals this season.hes scored seven!

The hotel quoted in the press this week is very near Arsenals ground, and teams playing there often stay at this hotel.

secrets Mick is tynesides favorite passtime!
and yet all are in the tabloids to work out, you are the same Mick hiding but leaving a trail right to your door, so what did happen in LONDON last weekend? Arsenal won 3-2, was you there with your relations in London?

So which is the secret premier club? it isnt Aston Villa,

Mick stop picking on Maurice, it doesnt help.

Wharfie


Well, it doesn't bode well for a new chant not to rear its head if the rumours / allegation are found to be true in a court of a law.

"Who will have a fishy on a little dishy
Who will have a bloater ( hmmm ) when the boats comes in.
Dance to thee Daddy,
My little lassie.
Dance to your Geordie players ( allegedly)
In the Grosvenor House Hotel
Dance to thee Daddy
When the boats come in."

I hope the bonny lads boat didn't sail into the Grosvenor House Hotel the other night!

Is there not a saying that says "my pr%cks a bloater" if the obvious was not held to be true?

The shame of it all!!

"What ails thee, what ails thee, Geordy Wan?
What ails thee sae fast to rin?
For I see by thy ill colour
Some (dreadfull? allegedly) deed thou hast done."

Claude :evil:


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