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Which way will you vote on May 6th?
Tory 58%  58%  [ 19 ]
Labour 15%  15%  [ 5 ]
Lib/Dem 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
None of the above 21%  21%  [ 7 ]
Total votes : 33
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The problem with proportional representation as I see it is that at the moment you can choose which candidate from a list that you want to represent you. With PR you will just vote for the party and you will get whoever they see fit to give you. I prefer first past the post. Also with PR it will always be the party that comes 3rd that decides who will be PM because no party will ever get an overall majority.


why should 9 million decide who rules 60 million?


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I am voting SNP and there is no chance of them winning a general election but i still believe you should vote for who will represent you best.A balanced parliament will give the SNP a better chance of getting concessions for Scotland so every MP we get will give us a better bargaining tool :D


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What % of the population actually bother the ar$es to vote?

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What % of the population actually bother the ar$es to vote?


At general elections I think the figure is usually around 70%.

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Most countries with PR have weak government. Regardless of your political views, we nearly always get a strong government in this country that can get on a nd govern.



If strong government is more important than the views of the majority, wouldn't a dictatorship be even better?


But, we are not a dictatorship, we are a parliamentary democracy founded on a constitutional monarchy. The checks and balances within the system allow strong government to operate without allowing it to be too extreme, as would happen in a dictatorship.

PR produces weak government where radical 'fixes' can very rarely take place. Under our system, a government can be radical but stands to be thrown out next time round if it lurches too far in one direction or another; Or, indeed, if it looses control, which is what has happened to this government, IMHO.


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If strong government is more important than the views of the majority, wouldn't a dictatorship be even better?


You have the views of the majority, the majority of people vote in their representative within the constituency.

Seems to me that people who want PR are bitter losers, a bit like you really :lol:

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Most countries with PR have weak government. Regardless of your political views, we nearly always get a strong government in this country that can get on a nd govern.



If strong government is more important than the views of the majority, wouldn't a dictatorship be even better?


But, we are not a dictatorship, we are a parliamentary democracy founded on a constitutional monarchy. The checks and balances within the system allow strong government to operate without allowing it to be too extreme, as would happen in a dictatorship.

PR produces weak government where radical 'fixes' can very rarely take place. Under our system, a government can be radical but stands to be thrown out next time round if it lurches too far in one direction or another; Or, indeed, if it looses control, which is what has happened to this government, IMHO.


In reality, we still have a government in the house of commons which is elected by a minority and doesn't represent the majority.
It's backed up by an appointed (not elected) house of lords and headed by a powerless figurehead who holds the job by birthright.
That's not very democratic IMO

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It has worked for c400 years, from conventions and statutes developed since the 11th century. Very few countries can say that.


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roll on friday, then at least we wont see the useless chinless spineless money-grabbing fiddling twisting unemployable [edited by admin] for another 5 years.................

who doesnt wanna slap this face?


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captain cab wrote:
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If strong government is more important than the views of the majority, wouldn't a dictatorship be even better?


You have the views of the majority, the majority of people vote in their representative within the constituency.

Seems to me that people who want PR are bitter losers, a bit like you really :lol:

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Its the likes of Mandelson that bugs me...Unelected and in the Cabinet controlling things, that Slimeball should stay in the Lords along with his ermine clad Cronies..


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They know games up.

When Labour start telling thier life-long supporters NOT to vote Labour you just know they are packing thier bags for a long holiday


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The general election is just two days away.

For the first time in over a decade, there is a real and serious threat that the Tories could come back to power.

On Thursday - polling day - we are not just deciding who holds the keys to Downing Street. We are voting on jobs, on our public services, and on our rights - whether to elect a government that will protect them, or a government that will put them at risk.

Listen to the stories of real workers who depend on a Labour government:




Watch this video: Don't forget what the Tories did last time

The threat of a Conservative government doesn't just lie in the hands of the Tories. With David Cameron and Nick Clegg in the race, the threat is twice as big this time around.

Let's not kid ourselves - the Liberal Democrats do not speak up for working people. Nick Clegg likes to talk about fairness, but scratch the surface and you can see what they really stand for.

Just last week, Vince Cable announced that the Lib Dems are opposed to the Working Time Directive - the Europe-wide right to paid leave and minimum breaks at work. And that's just the start - they're also planning to take away vital tax credits from 2.5 million people - making it harder for working families to make ends meet.

Sounds an awful lot like the Tories, doesn't it?

Volunteer just an hour or two of your time on Thursday to make sure our next government speaks up for working people:

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Many people have lost faith in politics and politicians, but the reality is that the decision about who forms the next government will have a direct impact on all our lives. It's only by talking to people that we can make it clear what's at stake this election.

We have to remind them that Labour is the only party that stands up for ordinary families and protects workers' rights. Every single vote will count in stopping the Tories and Lib Dems - that's why I'll be spending polling day knocking on doors and reminding people to vote Labour.

Join me on polling day to make sure that all Labour supporters remember to vote. Volunteer just an hour or two of your time on polling day to protect your future:

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The Labour movement has always relied on trade unionists and grassroots campaigners coming together to protect jobs and fight for workers' rights. We have never needed to fight more than now.

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I can quite understand why a trade union doesnt want a tory goverment, but its nothing to with trade or job cuts is it really, last time the tories ripped union rule to shreds, this time they could just finish em off

after the way unions wrecked UK industry through the 70's its a bit rich to slag off the tories

car factories, steel works, shipyards, pits, all just about shagged by unions, the leaders of which wanted to run the companies and/or the country

vote tory!


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