Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Fri May 01, 2026 9:02 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:11 pm
Posts: 8119
Location: A Villa in Aston NO MORE!
The horrible truth starts to dawn on Europe's leaders

November 16th, 2010

The entire European Project is now at risk of disintegration, with strategic and economic consequences that are very hard to predict.

In a speech this morning, EU President Herman Van Rompuy (poet, and writer of Japanese and Latin verse) warned that if Europe’s leaders mishandle the current crisis and allow the eurozone to break up, they will destroy the European Union itself.

“We’re in a survival crisis. We all have to work together in order to survive with the euro zone, because if we don’t survive with the euro zone we will not survive with the European Union,” he said.

Well, well. This theme is all too familiar to readers of The Daily Telegraph, but it comes as something of a shock to hear such a confession after all these years from Europe’s president.

He is admitting that the gamble of launching a premature and dysfunctional currency without a central treasury, or debt union, or economic government, to back it up – and before the economies, legal systems, wage bargaining practices, productivity growth, and interest rate sensitivity, of North and South Europe had come anywhere near sustainable convergence – may now backfire horribly.

Jacques Delors and fellow fathers of EMU were told by Commission economists in the early 1990s that this reckless adventure could not work as constructed, and would lead to a traumatic crisis. They shrugged off the warnings.

They were told too that currency unions do not eliminate risk: they merely switch it from currency risk to default risk. For that reason it was all the more important to have a workable mechanism for sovereign defaults and bondholder haircuts in place from the beginning, with clear rules to establish the proper pricing of that risk.

But no, the EU masters would hear none of it. There could be no defaults, and no preparations were made or even permitted for such an entirely predictable outcome. Political faith alone was enough. Investors who should have known better walked straight into the trap, buying Greek, Portuguese, and Irish debt at 25-35 basis points over Bunds. At the top of boom funds were buying Spanish bonds at a spread of 4 basis points. Now we are seeing what happens when you build such moral hazard into the system, and shut down the warning thermostat.

Mr Delors told colleagues that any crisis would be a “beneficial crisis”, allowing the EU to break down resistance to fiscal federalism, and to accumulate fresh power. The purpose of EMU was political, not economic, so the objections of economists could happily be disregarded. Once the currency was in existence, EU states would have give up national sovereignty to make it work over time. It would lead ineluctably to the Monnet dream of a fully-fledged EU state. Bring the crisis on.

Behind this gamble, of course, was the assumption that any crisis could be contained at a tolerable cost once the imbalances of EMU’s one-size-fits-none monetary system had already reached catastrophic levels, and once the credit bubbles of Club Med and Ireland had collapsed. It assumed too that Germany, The Netherlands, and Finland would ultimately – under much protest – agree to foot the bill for a ‘Transferunion’.

We may soon find out whether either assumption is correct. Far from binding Europe together, monetary union is leading to acrimony and mutual recriminations. We had the first eruption earlier this year when Greece’s deputy premier accused the Germans of stealing Greek gold from the vaults of the central bank and killing 300,000 people during the **** occupation.

Greece is now under an EU protectorate, or the “Memorandum” as they call it. This has prompted pin-prick terrorist attacks against anybody associated with EU rule. Ireland and Portugal are further behind on this road to serfdom, but they are already facing policy dictates from Brussels, but will soon be under formal protectorates as well in any case. Spain has more or less been forced to cut public wages by 5pc to comply with EU demands made in May. All are having to knuckle down to Europe’s agenda of austerity, without the offsetting relief of devaluation and looser monetary policy.

As this continues into next year, with unemployment stuck at depression levels or even creeping higher, it starts to matter who has political “ownership” over these policies. Is there full democratic consent, or is this suffering being imposed by foreign over-lords with an ideological aim? It does not take much imagination to see what this is going to do to concord in Europe.

My own view is that the EU became illegitimate when it refused to accept the rejection of the European Constitution by French and Dutch voters in 2005. There can be no justification for reviving the text as the Lisbon Treaty and ramming it through by parliamentary procedure without referenda, in what amounted to an authoritarian Putsch. (Yes, the national parliaments were themselves elected – so don’t write indignant comments pointing this out – but what was their motive for denying their own peoples a vote in this specific instance? Elected leaders can violate democracy as well. There was a corporal from Austria … but let’s not get into that).

Ireland was the one country forced to hold a vote by its constitutional court. When this lonely electorate also voted no, the EU again disregarded the result and intimidated Ireland into voting a second time to get it “right”.

This is the behaviour of a proto-Fascist organization, so if Ireland now – by historic irony, and in condign retribution – sets off the chain-reaction that destroys the eurozone and the European Union, it will be hard to resist the temptation of opening a bottle of Connemara whisky and enjoying the moment. But resist one must. The cataclysm will not be pretty.

My one thought for all those old friends still working for the EU institutions is what will happen to their euro pensions if Mr Van Rompuy is right?

Source; http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/am ... s-leaders/


AND


Hague 'doubts' over future of Euro

20/11/2010 (UKPA) – 3 hours ago

William Hague has raised doubts about the future of the euro, saying it was impossible to know whether the currency would collapse.

The Foreign Secretary, a vociferous and long-standing critic of European monetary union, said he "hoped" that the euro would survive, but added: "Who knows?"

His comments came as talks continued about the possible need to bail out debt-ridden Ireland, the latest crisis-hit eurozone member.

Asked whether the euro could collapse, Mr Hague told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Well I hope not.

"No-one has pointed out more of the problems than I have over the years in having a currency where we lock together the exchange rates and interest rates of countries with different economies.

"But I very much hope not. Who knows?

"If an economist knew that, let alone a politician, they would be very gifted people, but clearly we want to make sure there is stability in the eurozone and irrespective of the eurozone there is a specific case for assisting Ireland if Ireland asks for that assistance."

The Government has repeatedly stressed that Dublin has not requested financial help, despite pressure from within the European Union for it to accept a package to calm jittery markets.

Officials from both the European Commission and the International Monetary Fund were in the Irish capital today to discuss the options for ensuring Ireland can cope with its struggling banks.

Source; Press Association

_________________
Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:25 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm
Posts: 24391
Location: Twixt Heaven and Hell, but nearest Hell
The EU is the ultimate "Pyramid seller" with money being traded and paid out faster than it comes in, they all end by collapsing inwards and thats what will happen

why should OUR economy (a fairly hard working country) be tied to Turkey/Greece or others?

us....


Image

them


Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 8:15 pm
Posts: 9170
I hope it comes Tumbling down...the Only winners within the EU are the 10s of thousand on the EU gravy trains payroll, they create legislation not to help its members but in order to perpetuate their own jobs and hyper salaries.

I hope they all rot in hell for the misery, beaurocracy and judicial interference they have imposed on the rights of sovereign states within the EU...and they can Stick their court of Human rights up their jaxy and keep their disgruntled migrants at home and not force us to take them over here.

R.I.P EU


:x


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:49 pm
Posts: 1331
Location: Midlands
I hope it comes crashing down with a massive "BANG".


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:22 pm
Posts: 14152
Location: Wirral
I think the initial theory behind the forming of the EU was in itself a very good one. To end frequent wars between neighbours and then to allow trade to pass freely between countries could have only had a positive effect on each country involved. The fact that it has grown into a rather ugly monster should not be the reason it should entirely collapse. Perhaps if it was to return to it's former reason for being without all it's added extras may well be something people could live with. From it's 6 original member states to 25 current states and a further 3 waiting for status one can't deny that if it prevents wars between these countries and assists with trade between them, that should be seen as a good thing. I believe the problem most people have is with what some consider interference with home affairs that the EU is inclined to do. I'm not a great lover of their interference myself but I do see, with some countries being run the way they are, why the likes of the human rights act is there, unfortunately.

Some will argue that the financial benefits of being within the EU far out way the costs of being a member. I however am inclined to disagree. Even with what we receive by way of grants I'm not entirely convininced that we have financially benefited from being a member, in fact I don't think we have broken even so to speak. Having said that I think a sudden collapse of the EU would have quite a disasterous effect upon our already failing economy, or at least, within the initial time of the initial collapse. One has to ask can we afford such a collapse at this already trying time?

_________________
Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:58 pm
Posts: 3568
Location: Plymouth
I'd rather leave the EU - but are we big enough to "Stand Alone"?

I think we are.

But if we are not, we should apply to be the 51st American State.

For any Royalists, that isn't a problem - there is already one King of an American State.

We'ed be ideally placed to to be the conduit for all US/EU trade.

They speak a strange type of English.

They just have all there weights and measures wrong - but we could correct them on that.

_________________
Chris The Fish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdlyi5mc ... re=related


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 214 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group