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Author:  andylpool [ Mon May 01, 2006 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  NON PAYERS
example : pick up some woman, take her to to the destionation. She says hang on there while i go in and get your money. Next min, some fella came out and said ,,, sorry mate, ive got no cash. come back tmo and get it.


what would you do ?
Author:  peebee [ Mon May 01, 2006 12:41 pm ]
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go back tommorow

happened to me last week, went back, guy got stroppy and threatening, but I kust smiled, stayed calm and kept my cool (black belt in tae kwon do), stood my ground and he paid up, was only £9 but it was the principal, if you don't have the cash, don't take the cab, walskings free afterall.

Take a friend with you on collection, they are unlikely to get nasty if there are two of you.
Author:  Stinky Pete [ Mon May 01, 2006 1:44 pm ]
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peebee wrote:
go back tommorow

happened to me last week, went back, was only £9 .


Come back tommorrow!!!, the fare then becomes a civil debt, me I would have left the meter on and got the cops out, no matter how long I have to wait and get em charged, oh it was only 9 quid, 9 quid is 9 quid, try buying some fuel or any item at Tesco's and say, oh I'll pop back tommorrow to pay.

It's a crime, nip it in the bud,
Author:  TDO [ Mon May 01, 2006 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NON PAYERS
andylpool wrote:
what would you do ?


It depends on the circumstances - although I'm a blackbelt in oragami, if someone is swinging a baseball bat round their head then I'd be inclined not to press the issue.

And using the p-word can often just inflame the situation.

The criminal offence/civil debt distinction is also a tricky area, especially since it's more often than not the precise law that's relevant than whether or not the police are interested in doing anything.

But in general terms I think that if the person never had any intention of being able to pay the fare there and then and doesn't tell you this beforehand, then it's a police matter, in theory at least.

But if they discover they've lost their purse when you get them home, then it's a civil debt.
Author:  peebee [ Mon May 01, 2006 2:05 pm ]
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I agree Pete, meant I went back for a small amount, not a large fair, I too would have gotten police, he tried to close the door, I opened it, he said he'd get the Police, I said yes please, as I was taking chap home, we tried 3 different banks and he couldn't get money, i took him on trust, as was last fare for me, and five minutes from home, got stroppy when I returned, it was all I could do to stop my self from diving into his home and taking it out on his face, I would do the same for £2.20 (min hire) or £220, it's a principal thing!!! and as you say a civil debt, rsoles!!!!
Author:  peebee [ Mon May 01, 2006 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NON PAYERS
TDO wrote:
andylpool wrote:
what would you do ?


It depends on the circumstances - although I'm a blackbelt in oragami, if someone is swinging a baseball bat round their head then I'd be inclined not to press the issue.



I'd enjoy that, relish it even, would give me reasonable cause to thump them, baseball bat is slow and weildy, easy to disarm, he has to take the thing away, before he swings it towards you, and both hands on the bat, so easy to get in close and deck the sod, but as I say, I have trained for this for many many years :D
Author:  TDO [ Mon May 01, 2006 2:09 pm ]
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Yes, that's really what I meant to say :lol:
Author:  Sussex [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NON PAYERS
andylpool wrote:
example : pick up some woman, take her to to the destionation. She says hang on there while i go in and get your money. Next min, some fella came out and said ,,, sorry mate, ive got no cash. come back tmo and get it.

In this instance I would go back tomorrow, and you could charge for the return trip if you thought you could get it. :roll:

As for the non-payers there are two general rules. If the punter got into your motor, and at the end of the trip says she has lost her money or doesn't have enough, then that's more times than not a civil matter.

But if she got into the car knowing she didn't have any money, or tried to do a runner, than that's a criminal act. Section 1 of the Theft Act 1978. :wink:
Author:  Bart [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:42 pm ]
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Stinky Pete wrote:
peebee wrote:
go back tommorow

happened to me last week, went back, was only £9 .


Come back tommorrow!!!, the fare then becomes a civil debt, me I would have left the meter on and got the cops out, no matter how long I have to wait and get em charged, oh it was only 9 quid, 9 quid is 9 quid, try buying some fuel or any item at Tesco's and say, oh I'll pop back tommorrow to pay.

It's a crime, nip it in the bud,


Who do you call in this situation, local police number or 999?
Author:  Bart [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NON PAYERS
peebee wrote:
TDO wrote:
andylpool wrote:
what would you do ?


It depends on the circumstances - although I'm a blackbelt in oragami, if someone is swinging a baseball bat round their head then I'd be inclined not to press the issue.



I'd enjoy that, relish it even, would give me reasonable cause to thump them, baseball bat is slow and weildy, easy to disarm, he has to take the thing away, before he swings it towards you, and both hands on the bat, so easy to get in close and deck the sod, but as I say, I have trained for this for many many years :D


Do you give lessons?
Author:  peebee [ Mon May 01, 2006 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NON PAYERS
Bart wrote:
peebee wrote:
TDO wrote:
andylpool wrote:
what would you do ?


It depends on the circumstances - although I'm a blackbelt in oragami, if someone is swinging a baseball bat round their head then I'd be inclined not to press the issue.



I'd enjoy that, relish it even, would give me reasonable cause to thump them, baseball bat is slow and weildy, easy to disarm, he has to take the thing away, before he swings it towards you, and both hands on the bat, so easy to get in close and deck the sod, but as I say, I have trained for this for many many years :D


Do you give lessons?


yes but in your case the travel would be uneconomical :D been doiung TKD for years, and am also a broewn belt in judo from my teenage years, Martial arts aint infallible, but it gives you confidence, and mosts times the confidence is all you need, two/three guys threaten you and you start smiling, whilst getting onto your toes, puts the willys up them I can assure you :D
Author:  andylpool [ Mon May 01, 2006 6:02 pm ]
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scum bags they are.
[edited by admin] me off for the night that did
Author:  peebee [ Mon May 01, 2006 6:09 pm ]
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andylpool wrote:
scum bags they are.
[edited by admin] me off for the night that did


have you been back yet?
Author:  bigyin [ Mon May 01, 2006 6:22 pm ]
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well if i get any hassle i use my cs spray or, then grab my large c cell magelite torch. It still works after 7years and a few people have had some bad headache,s. But no one is taking my money ,which would stop me feeding my kids. :twisted: :twisted:
Author:  kermit2482 [ Mon May 01, 2006 6:44 pm ]
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I can sympathise with you there Bigyin, however one doubts the legalities of the CS spray, but the torch good idea as i know you need it to see the numbers in the dark so a perfectly good reason to have it from a legal point of view. Like i say i do agree with you and know where your coming from but just look at the legal implications :roll:
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