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No sorry Ali, this is a Forum about Taxis, lets keep it that way, but you guys almost started to do the same thing on here, it's not clever to use other peoples private lives, or suffering, or wreck peoples business's to advance an argument, it's about human decency Ali not depravity.

If an individual wants others to know their private and personal details they are free to do so, it's the fact that you guys try to use a form of moral blackmail against anyone you feel is a threat or you dont like that gets up my nose, I wont tolerate it, nobody should.


You have to start thinking about the collateral damage you can cause with some of this stuff, try and see the bigger picture if thats possible. :-|





Sirius, as much as I like your sentiments about human decency the realities are ‘collateral damage’, and spare me the moral indignation.

If you feel the need to take the moral high ground at my expense, be my guessed, if it makes you feel good then I’m happy for you.

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Well that had nothing to do with any of you guys, I just dont like the thought that people can drag unsuspecting innocents into an argument. :?


Lets be honest about this Skull,It's about marketing your product and so far the marketing I have seen is woefully inadequate, this does not mean I, and probably many others, do not have some inclinations towards agreeing with some of the issues you are raising, it's just how you achieve those ends that probably concern people more than the actual issues do.

I am not trying to take the moral high ground with anyone, as was mentioned somewhere previously I regard morals as a dangerous thing, especially other peoples, your version of morality may be very different to mine and vice versa, this is probably to do with respect, and respecting others right to not being used as an instrument of propaganda, or malicious gossip and rumours, or false accusations that cant be backed up by fact. :-|

Anyway I will get off this forum and leave you to it, adios


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First of all the aims of this site have nothing whatsoever to do with you or anyone else.
That is puerile nonsense. The aim of the site justifies its existence. If its aims are nothing to do with its readers, is it not pointless?

This site promotes equality for all and that includes both the Taxi and Private hire trades. That is a highly debatable claim since it does not promote those who support numerical restriction.

No one twists your arm to come here and read the content or post a message. You do that of your own free will. However while you are here you are expected to behave responsibly as an adult, if your sole intention is to bring this site into disrepute then I'm afraid your stay will be a short one. TDO is probably the most tolerant Taxi forum on the Internet so it might be wise to reflect on that. Whilst I agree with the general sentiment expressed here, I find the hint that my motives are questionable offensive. I would also suggest that you re-read some of Ali T's and skull's posts and their vulgar content, which you seem to find acceptable.

Your pal was hit with an ASBO because he was also asked to reflect on his comments and apologise, or produce the evidence to support his accusations that Dusty and myself had been reading Private message. He did neither. Point of order he is not my "pal" as you claim. I do happen to know him, that's all. My reading of the posts was that he had noticed pm's going astray and, reading that they could be manipulated, grasped that as a solution.

Dusty still gave him a chance to redeem himself but he was so intent on causing disruption that he had to go. Just for you benefit we do know who the character is, so just bear that in mind. Right, John, if you have conducted your own research into his identity, I might believe that you know who he is. Just as I have sought your ID and found out that you reside near Oakfield Road and you are south of Manchester. I will not reveal further details, since I have no desire to make you feel threatened in any way, only to prove to you how thorough my research was. A pm would be better should you wish to discuss this identy topic further. Remember that Skull and co have their own agenda and if you have relied on them for info, check it very carefully!!!


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RCF, If you want to talk to me about anything that has been said on this forum concerning myself you only have to ask. As for identity, I have never tried to hide who I am or what I believe in, or any agenda I might have.

It is you and RCFF that have sneaked away making comments and hiding behind pseudoynms. I have offered time and time again to meet with you and anybody else for that matter to discuss anything that concerns you and I am still waiting.


How about giving everyone on this forum a break all you do is spout [edited by admin] without any intention of backing it up. You are a drama queen RCF, this could have been all sorted out if you had the balls to have a meeting. The problem is you don't and that's why this lingers on.


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First of all the aims of this site have nothing whatsoever to do with you or anyone else.
That is puerile nonsense. The aim of the site justifies its existence. If its aims are nothing to do with its readers, is it not pointless?


Perhaps you can tell us all what the aims of this site are and how you personally contribute to its aims and what specific role TDO has given you in achieving those aims? TDO was not set up to pursue any particular aims, the administrators have a view that there should be equality in the workplace and just like anyone else, they are active enough to promote those beliefs. Just because someone holds a different view than yourself, does not mean that your view is necessarily the moral one?

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This site promotes equality for all and that includes both the Taxi and Private hire trades. That is a highly debatable claim since it does not promote those who support numerical restriction.


I said this site supports equality for all, that means you can debate and say anything you like as long as you stay within the rules, no one on here will gag you from voicing an opinion on any subject you wish and that includes numerical numbers. I think you should know by now, that TDO supports equality in the workplace and that includes the Taxi trade. You should also know that inequality doesn't sit well with TDO, if you want inequality there are plenty of taxi websites on the Internet that will cater for your needs.

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No one twists your arm to come here and read the content or post a message. You do that of your own free will. However while you are here you are expected to behave responsibly as an adult, if your sole intention is to bring this site into disrepute then I'm afraid your stay will be a short one. TDO is probably the most tolerant Taxi forum on the Internet so it might be wise to reflect on that. Whilst I agree with the general sentiment expressed here, I find the hint that my motives are questionable offensive. I would also suggest that you re-read some of Ali T's and skull's posts and their vulgar content, which you seem to find acceptable.


I don't recall either of those two nicks you mentioned ever suggesting that TDO or myself had read other peoples private messages. Mr Cabforce was far more vulgar, abusive and intolerable than any present subscriber on TDO. You will no doubt notice that he was given every opportunity to substantiate his claims and it wasn't until after he had done all the things and more that you accuse others of doing that he was given a red card.

I find it amusing when people say they want nothing to do with TDO yet they can't keep away from the place. Either the level of debate over there is bordering on infantile, or they are all fed up of patting each other on the back and agreeing with each other. It must be quite mundane having no one to point out the inaccuracies in their arguments?

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Your pal was hit with an ASBO because he was also asked to reflect on his comments and apologise, or produce the evidence to support his accusations that Dusty and myself had been reading Private message. He did neither. Point of order he is not my "pal" as you claim. I do happen to know him, that's all. My reading of the posts was that he had noticed pm's going astray and, reading that they could be manipulated, grasped that as a solution.


Well your reading of the situation was wrong and I don't buy in to your theory that you thought his accusations were innocent. His intentions were quite obvious and I doubt your comments of support for that fellow will find much sympathy on here.

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Dusty still gave him a chance to redeem himself but he was so intent on causing disruption that he had to go. Just for you benefit we do know whom the character is, so just bear that in mind. Right, John, if you have conducted your own research into his identity, I might believe that you know who he is. Just as I have sought your ID and found out that you reside near Oakfield Road and you are south of Manchester. I will not reveal further details, since I have no desire to make you feel threatened in any way, only to prove to you how thorough my research was. A pm would be better should you wish to discuss this identy topic further. Remember that Skull and co have their own agenda and if you have relied on them for info, check it very carefully!!!


It is most encouraging that you think you know that I live near Oakfield road but you probably realise that there are some other gentlemen who once thought I worked on Fountain Street and look what happened to them? It should be known that your friends have been running around like headless chickens for over two years trying to find out what you have found out. What makes you so sure that you haven't just proved yourself to be yet another headless chicken?

I am sure there are many subscribers on TDO, who won't mind debating with you on any subject, as long as you behave like an adult.

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First of all the aims of this site have nothing whatsoever to do with you or anyone else.
RCF: That is puerile nonsense. The aim of the site justifies its existence. If its aims are nothing to do with its readers, is it not pointless?

JD: Perhaps you can tell us all what the aims of this site are and how you personally contribute to its aims and what specific role TDO has given you in achieving those aims? TDO was not set up to pursue any particular aims, the administrators have a view that there should be equality in the workplace and just like anyone else, they are active enough to promote those beliefs. Just because someone holds a different view than yourself, does not mean that your view is necessarily the moral one?
RCF: You sidestep the issue here. I criticised your claim about the aims of the site being nobody's business - nothing more.


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Your pal was hit with an ASBO because he was also asked to reflect on his comments and apologise, or produce the evidence to support his accusations that Dusty and myself had been reading Private message. He did neither. RCF: Point of order he is not my "pal" as you claim. I do happen to know him, that's all. My reading of the posts was that he had noticed pm's going astray and, reading that they could be manipulated, grasped that as a solution.


JD: Well your reading of the situation was wrong and I don't buy in to your theory that you thought his accusations were innocent. His intentions were quite obvious and I doubt your comments of support for that fellow will find much sympathy on here.
RCF: I do not seek to support him, I just seek justification for action against one party but nothing against others. The prime difference being the beliefs held by RCFF are at odds with those held by you, whilst obviously you concur with skull and ali T and choose to accept their inappropriate conduct, claiming it to be less intolerable.

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Dusty still gave him a chance to redeem himself but he was so intent on causing disruption that he had to go. Just for you benefit we do know whom the character is, so just bear that in mind. RCF: Right, John, if you have conducted your own research into his identity, I might believe that you know who he is. Just as I have sought your ID and found out that you reside near Oakfield Road and you are south of Manchester. I will not reveal further details, since I have no desire to make you feel threatened in any way, only to prove to you how thorough my research was. A pm would be better should you wish to discuss this identy topic further. Remember that Skull and co have their own agenda and if you have relied on them for info, check it very carefully!!!


JD: It is most encouraging that you think you know that I live near Oakfield road but you probably realise that there are some other gentlemen who once thought I worked on Fountain Street and look what happened to them? It should be known that your friends have been running around like headless chickens for over two years trying to find out what you have found out. What makes you so sure that you haven't just proved yourself to be yet another headless chicken?
RCF: You and I both know my information is correct. I have stopped short of revealing your full name, address, telephone number, family details etc. as I have no intention of doing anything with the information. I merely sought to prove the accuracy of my research. Headless chickens? I don't personally know any. I would be interested in hearing who you think RCFF is - that might prove the accuracy of your research as well as letting me know if the headless chickens are with you rather than me.

JD: I am sure there are many subscribers on TDO, who won't mind debating with you on any subject, as long as you behave like an adult.

RCF: Regrettably, whilst I think debate with yourself might be stimulating, it is sadly spoiled by the constant irrelevant and personal insults made by others in your camp.


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RCF, If you want to talk to me about anything that has been said on this forum concerning myself you only have to ask. As for identity, I have never tried to hide who I am or what I believe in, or any agenda I might have.

It is you and RCFF that have sneaked away making comments and hiding behind pseudoynms. I have offered time and time again to meet with you and anybody else for that matter to discuss anything that concerns you and I am still waiting.


How about giving everyone on this forum a break all you do is spout [edited by admin] without any intention of backing it up. You are a drama queen RCF, this could have been all sorted out if you had the balls to have a meeting. The problem is you don't and that's why this lingers on.


Grow up little man everyone is fed-up listening to you.

I have never hidden my identity, as far as I know.
By offering to meet me and others to discuss anything, you seem to regard yourself as someone of importance. The reality, regardless of your claims to the contrary, is that you ARE just a petty thug and a bully. You do enjoy violence - or so you claim when you try to impress others at various venues around town.
There are 2 issues which you are trying to confuse.
The first is the fact that you sought to beat the system and grab a plate with no concern for the consequences to others. The second issue of numerical derestriction only came about when you failed in your attempt to get plates issued.
You mouth off about market shares and flawed surveys in the full knowledge that extra plates would reduce earnings even further.
Had you won your case and been issued with plates, would you now be shouting about numerical derestriction? I very much doubt it.
You have been shown up for the shallow person that you are, so why not accept defeat gracefully and leave the trade which you obviously hate and tried to destroy.
Drama queen? Little man? No Balls? Not me, son. I'm male, over six foot with everything working!! They're just the childish bullyboy phrases you use against people who dare to disagree with you.


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No sorry Ali, this is a Forum about Taxis, lets keep it that way, but you guys almost started to do the same thing on here, it's not clever to use other peoples private lives, or suffering, or wreck peoples business's to advance an argument, it's about human decency Ali not depravity.

If an individual wants others to know their private and personal details they are free to do so, it's the fact that you guys try to use a form of moral blackmail against anyone you feel is a threat or you dont like that gets up my nose, I wont tolerate it, nobody should.


You have to start thinking about the collateral damage you can cause with some of this stuff, try and see the bigger picture if thats possible. :-|


what you fail to grasp here sirius is that it was my name that was put on a website by rcf & co and therefore my personell security and that of my wife and children that where in jepardy
i think you are preaching to the wrong person dont you


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RealCabforceRealCabforce wrote:
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RCF, If you want to talk to me about anything that has been said on this forum concerning myself you only have to ask. As for identity, I have never tried to hide who I am or what I believe in, or any agenda I might have.

It is you and RCFF that have sneaked away making comments and hipseudoynmsd pseudoynms. I have offered time and time again to meet with you and anybody else for that matter to discuss anything that concerns you and I am still waiting.


How about giving everyone on this forum a break all you do is spout [edited by admin] without any intention of backing it up. You are a drama queen RCF, this could have been all sorted out if you had the balls to have a meeting. The problem is you don't and that's why this lingers on.


Grow up little man everyone is fed-up listening to you.



I have never hidden my identity, as far as I know.


By offering to meet me and others to discuss anything, you seem to regard yourself as someone of importance. The reality, regardless of your claims to the contrary, is that you ARE just a petty thug and a bully. You do enjoy violence - or so you claim when you try to impress others at various venues around town.
There are 2 issues which you are trying to confuse.
The first is the fact that you sought to beat the system and grab a plate with no concern for the consequences to others. The second issue oderestrictionderestriction only came about when you failed in your attempt to get plates issued.
surveys in the full knowledge that extra plates would reduce earnings even further.
Had you won your case and been issued with plates, would you now be shouting about numerical derestriction? I very much doubtderestriction
been shown up for the shallow person that you are, so why not accept defeat gracefully and leave the trade which you obviously hate and tried to destroy.
Drama queen? Little man? No Balls? Not me, son. I'm male, over six foot with everything working!! They're just the childish bullyboy phrases you use againsbullyboy who dare to disagree with you.



You liked the Fair View then.

Isn't it amazing how you can spout all this [edited by admin] but still avoid the obvious. You are prepared to meet on a forum but not face to face. The fact is you lack any credibility, all you are is someone who hides behind a pseudonym, and for all your talk, it is just that, talk.


Don't you see this all means nothing because you won't back it up, rather than meet and discuss our differences you hide and write silly comments on a forum.


It's about time you came out of the closet don't you think, I fail to see what it is you are so frightened of, all I am asking is for you to back up what you say by meeting me face to face in a public place for all to judge.

If you believe in your argument and you are up for it then I fail to see what the problem is.

How about the Cannon Mills?


What says you?


And BTW I'm 42 with 3 children, I have no intentions in resorting to violence unless it is put upon me so spare me the you are a violent man routine.

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No sorry Ali, this is a Forum about Taxis, lets keep it that way, but you guys almost started to do the same thing on here, it's not clever to use other peoples private lives, or suffering, or wreck peoples business's to advance an argument, it's about human decency Ali not depravity.

If an individual wants others to know their private and personal details they are free to do so, it's the fact that you guys try to use a form of moral blackmail against anyone you feel is a threat or you dont like that gets up my nose, I wont tolerate it, nobody should.


You have to start thinking about the collateral damage you can cause with some of this stuff, try and see the bigger picture if thats possible. :-|


what you fail to grasp here sirius is that it was my name that was put on a website by rcf & co and therefore my personell security and that of my wife and children that where in jepardy
i think you are preaching to the wrong person dont you



Well I was not going to post again Ali but this merits a response, the fact is Ali, you chose to put a document on the realfastblacks site,and as I remember, it was about the parking thing you were involved with, I think it contained your details.

I am not preaching to anyone merely stating the obvious Ali, these things can have bad consequences for people involved, both the person who divulges the information and the person on the receiving end of it especially if it's done for malicious reasons, Skull seems quite happy for everyone to know his details and thats his prerogative, although I have to say it would not be me.


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Anyway Ali your response just seems to reinforce the point I was making, privacy and anonimity are important, and sometimes the clowns who should know better dont realise the dangers inherent in their behaviour, or maybe they do. :roll:


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Anyway Ali your response just seems to reinforce the point I was making, privacy and anonimity are important, and sometimes the clowns who should know better dont realise the dangers inherent in their behaviour, or maybe they do. :roll:

It's a valid point.

Which is why I'm Sussex, TDO is TDO, JD is JD and Nigel Marchant is Nidge Marchant. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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This site promotes equality for all and that includes both the Taxi and Private hire trades. That is a highly debatable claim since it does not promote those who support numerical restriction.



That's about as useful as stating that a claim that a site which promoted racial equality was debatable because it did not promote those who support apartheid. :-k

The simple fact is that TDO's editorial line is perfectly obvious, but everyone can promote a contrary view on this forum, unless it's falsehoods, of course, particularly malicious ones.

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You and I both know my information is correct. I have stopped short of revealing your full name, address, telephone number, family details etc. as I have no intention of doing anything with the information. I merely sought to prove the accuracy of my research. Headless chickens? I don't personally know any. I would be interested in hearing who you think RCFF is - that might prove the accuracy of your research as well as letting me know if the headless chickens are with you rather than me. [/b][/color]


When you get down to Oakfield Road pop in, I'll be waiting lol

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Anyway Ali your response just seems to reinforce the point I was making, privacy and anonimity are important, and sometimes the clowns who should know better dont realise the dangers inherent in their behaviour, or maybe they do. :roll:

the point is im allowed to post my personall details my choice duhhh
but no one else should post personall details about me without my consent
especially when its malicius, i will! deal with this maggot in due course simply becouse he didnt think of the security of my family when he put up his site rcf i havent forgoten about that as i said before when i have time,ok
purely personall rcf nothing at all to do with plates


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