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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
They want taxi standards and fees to be at least the same as PH, so what would be the incentive to get a taxi licence in one area to work as a PH in another?

Come on Dusty, get with it!

The incentive would be that they would be remote from their area and do what they please, without any real enforcement, irrespective of the fact that the proposals are to allow enforcement officers to work cross-border.

These guys are predetory and you very rarely find them where they can be caught, especially in the dead of night when licensing enforcement officers are well tucked up in bed and into their fourth or fifth hour of sleep.

You really must live in a closeted world or drive days only.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:24 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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(I've started reading the impact assessment paper rather than the full consultation.)

Your not a bad judge!



I gave up half way through most of it deals with the actual costs of the various options and why a two tier system is the better option. I found it hard to understand how they calculated the costs

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:11 pm 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
I will have to disagree with the 100% figure - there are places, and yes Plymouth is one, where cross border hirings are not a problem.

The 100% doesn't relate to what's what now, but after the Law Commission's proposals are adopted.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
73 councils limited numbers when I joined TDO. There are now 92 councils limiting numbers.

It has never got below 90. [-X

You don't work part-time for IBIS do you? :wink:

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edders23 wrote:
I gave up half way through most of it deals with the actual costs of the various options and why a two tier system is the better option. I found it hard to understand how they calculated the costs


Just ignore the numbers - again I think the word is 'spurious' anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:44 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
73 councils limited numbers when I joined TDO. There are now 92 councils limiting numbers.

It has never got below 90. [-X

You don't work part-time for IBIS do you? :wink:

When I asked the same question some months ago , there was no answer forthcoming at that time.

Now all of a sudden we have an answer.

I smell a rat!!

I have the info from other sources now and it is correct.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:47 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
You really must live in a closeted world or drive days only.


Indeed I'm inclined to agree with you about enforcement and in fact I was going to say that the reason some might want to do a Berwick even if there's no need in terms of barriers to entry or fees is so that a taxi licensed in another area would facilitate illegal plying for hire because of signage issues rather than using a PH licensed in the 'correct' area.

But I haven't really got to the enforcement bit yet, and was just trying to establish some basic principles as far as quality is concerned without trying to look at the thing more holistically.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:07 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I have the info from other sources now and it is correct.

When I said never below 90, I actually meant never below 80. In fact I had to check the list as I thought it was higher than it is.

As for your 73 number, and your source, if it was 73 and is now 86, then please list the 13 councils that have restricted in the last few months.

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edders23 wrote:
I gave up half way through most of it deals with the actual costs of the various options and why a two tier system is the better option. I found it hard to understand how they calculated the costs


Well I wouldn't get too bogged down with the minutiae, particularly the NPV (Net Present Value) business.

What they're simply doing is comparing the costs of introducing something with the benefits over a number of years.

So something might cost £10,000 over the first two years to introduce, but over the next eight years might save a total of £50,000.

So the Net Present Value over ten years is £40,000. All they're basically saying is that the net saving of introducing the change is £40,000.

The difficult bit is that with a NPV calculation they adjust the figure in the future slightly because they can't be directly compared with with the figures nearer to the present day. So a figure arising in five years is adjusted compared to a figure today, while a ten year figure is adjusted even more than the five year one. #-o

Think of it as a bit like adjusting for inflation, so basically an NPV calculation compares costs of introducing something with the future benefits.

The NPV is the 'profit', if you like.

However, the problem with it all is that there are so many assumptions and suchlike that the end results don't really mean very much, but let's not go there!

But politically it provides a good headline figure - we'll be better off by £x million by doing this, for example - although the figures are to a large extent little better than guesswork.


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Birmingham’s head of licensing Chris Neville wrote:
Proposals to bring hackney carriage and private hire licensing up to date include allowing black cabs registered in one borough to work in another


Well they can already, but if he means plying for hire then that's not proposed?

Birmingham’s head of licensing Chris Neville wrote:
The council would also likely be opposed to scrapping the knowledge test – at present all black cab drivers have to prove that they know their way around the city.


No change proposed.

Birmingham’s head of licensing Chris Neville wrote:
But it would welcome national safety standards for licensed vehicles and drivers to prevent the problem of minicab drivers being licensed in less restrictive boroughs working in Birmingham.


But since the proposal is for minimal PH standards then the problem won't actually be cross-border PH, it'll be PH licensed by his own authority.

Birmingham’s head of licensing Chris Neville wrote:
Just before 11.00am today on Radio WM on the Adrian Goldberg Show, Chris Neville, Birmingham's Head of Licensing said that not only should councils be allowed to limit numbers of taxis, they should also be allowed to limit the numbers of private hire vehicles.


Not proposed and ain't gonna happen.

Brummie Cabbie, regarding Birmingham’s head of licensing Chris Neville, wrote:
Now there's someone who really does know what he is talking about!


:lol: No need for the sarcasm.

At least he was right about the derestriction proposal.

But he doesn't mention a moratorium on badges, so what difference would limiting plates make? #-o


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