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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:37 am 
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Do people seriously expect the LC or government will throw thousands of people out of work if they attempt to set standards that are too harsh?

People need a reality check.


Indeed, and I'm not sure what approach the LC is proposing, but if it was up to me then as regards things like the DSA test then there would be grandfather rights, or if an age-rule was implemented then it could be done incrementally, eg brought down to the appropriate age over a number of years. Ditto a new fare structure, or whatever.

But I certainly don't regard the likes of the DSA test as too 'harsh'.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:42 am 
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How can a 'basic standard' be high?

In relation to PH the basic standard it can be whatever it or we want it to be.

However when the standard is set there is nothing stopping that being high compared with the average we have at present.


I know what you mean by the word 'basic', but perhaps it's a bit misleading in this context - sounds a bit like 'bog standard' or whatever?

Perhaps 'mandatory standard' or 'minimum standard' is more appropriate, and looks less oxymoronic than saying that a basic standard whould be 'high'. :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:25 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
Sussex wrote:
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How can a 'basic standard' be high?

In relation to PH the basic standard it can be whatever it or we want it to be.

However when the standard is set there is nothing stopping that being high compared with the average we have at present.

I know what you mean by the word 'basic', but perhaps it's a bit misleading in this context - sounds a bit like 'bog standard' or whatever?

Perhaps 'mandatory standard' or 'minimum standard' is more appropriate, and looks less oxymoronic than saying that a basic standard whould be 'high'. :wink:

Or perhaps 'mandatory minimum standards'.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:18 am 
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On the contrary, the LC's approach seems to be that because the market works well with regard to PH then the consumer gets what they want.

I think that's a bit crude though, but that's the way they seem to be approaching it.

By the same token, they seem to think tougher taxi regulation is OK, because the market doesn't work so well in the streets.

But this also begs the question, why leave it to the current mish mash evident in the approach of LAs?

If the LC wants to substitute regulation for market forces then surely it should be more consistent? :-k


Yes the LC do appear to be rather biased towards PH, well PH operators....scr*w the drivers.

Yes, the LC seem to have used Darryl Biggars thoughts on the Hailing market, of course they didnt use his same thoughts on how large monopolies grow.

Of course some people might suggest the LC should be concentrating on workable law, rather than economic theory - indeed they may wish to take a peek at their own profession?

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:27 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Or perhaps 'mandatory minimum standards'.


Yes, but if that would imply that there would be a power to set a standard higher than the mandatory one, at least if LAs were applying the standards.

Of course, if you're talking about a central edict for the whole country then it might make more sense since of course licencees could still provide a higher standard than the mandatory minimum :-k


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:38 pm 
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If they have mandatory national standards for ph/taxis, but, the taxis can be improved by the LA this will cause mixed standards on the circuits so the public won't know what they're going to get, just a thought

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If they have mandatory national standards for ph/taxis, but, the taxis can be improved by the LA this will cause mixed standards on the circuits so the public won't know what they're going to get, just a thought

Keep thinking.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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If they have mandatory national standards for ph/taxis, but, the taxis can be improved by the LA this will cause mixed standards on the circuits so the public won't know what they're going to get, just a thought

Keep thinking.


Doesn't help :lol:

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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If they have mandatory national standards for ph/taxis, but, the taxis can be improved by the LA this will cause mixed standards on the circuits so the public won't know what they're going to get, just a thought

Keep thinking.


Toots obviously hasn't been thinking about how well the pre-booked market works for consumers [-X :wink:


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Toots obviously hasn't been thinking about how well the pre-booked market works for consumers [-X :wink:

It's does work well, very well IMO, which makes it so very strange that the LC now want to down grade the country's PH service. [-(

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Dusty Bin wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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If they have mandatory national standards for ph/taxis, but, the taxis can be improved by the LA this will cause mixed standards on the circuits so the public won't know what they're going to get, just a thought

Keep thinking.


Toots obviously hasn't been thinking about how well the pre-booked market works for consumers [-X :wink:


I know how well it works here but then our driver standards are the same with the only difference being the vehicles we drive. If the standards are lowered for the ph vehicles then the customer is not going to know whether the driver they get is of the same standard that they are used to eg. knows where they're going by the shortest route and without a satnav. Imo it is unsettling for customers when the driver can't get them home without the aid of satnav ffs

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Sussex wrote:
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Toots obviously hasn't been thinking about how well the pre-booked market works for consumers [-X :wink:

It's does work well, very well IMO, which makes it so very strange that the LC now want to down grade the country's PH service. [-(


What I meant was how well the LC's blueprint for minimal standards in the pre-booked market would work for consumers [-X


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Dusty Bin wrote:

What I meant was how well the LC's blueprint for minimal standards in the pre-booked market would work for consumers [-X



maximum standards surely?

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What I meant was how well the LC's blueprint for minimal standards in the pre-booked market would work for consumers [-X

That will certainly have a negative effect on the level of standards customers receive.

However I'm hoping that particular avenue will be reversed, as why change something that, in the main, is working.

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Sussex wrote:
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What I meant was how well the LC's blueprint for minimal standards in the pre-booked market would work for consumers [-X

That will certainly have a negative effect on the level of standards customers receive.

However I'm hoping that particular avenue will be reversed, as why change something that, in the main, is working.


because they are still entrenched in cross border ph i guess......but there non committal to citing proposed standards obviously tarnishes everything imo.

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