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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:30 am 
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Won't that just be more rules that won't be enforced?



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Yep I was thinking that......or of course having licensing officers snoop after funeral directors at the expense of the license payer.....follow that hearse!!

You are probably correct Gus but that is a different argument. The enforcement that would sort it out would not require anyone to follow funeral cars or even wedding cars. It would require enforcement people to attend school proms. In some areas they do actually do it now. Last year there was a big crackdown at John Port school in Etwall, Derby. This is the first big prom of the year in the area. The kids have the limos to take them to school in the morning when they break upo for exam leave. Last year there were several unlicensed limo and wedding car owners/drivers prosecuted for not being correctly licensed. It was featured on the TV. In the morning the story was about how many limos were there and in the afternoon it was how many were unlicensed.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:25 pm 
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Why exempt the bloody Volunteers, theyre a Bigger menace and threat than Either the Dead Carts or Marriage Carriages are.. and they aint as cheap as they kid on..:x


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:41 pm 
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Why exempt the bloody Volunteers,

Indeed, it's that lot that are causing big trouble in a number of rural areas, and don't get me on ambulance cars. :sad:

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Why exempt the bloody Volunteers,

Indeed, it's that lot that are causing big trouble in a number of rural areas, and don't get me on ambulance cars. :sad:


If they are exempt will the drivers need to have a CRB check?

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:15 am 
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If they are exempt will the drivers need to have a CRB check?


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14.45 The rationale for the contract exemption was that where long-term contractual arrangements are in place the contracting parties can put in place sufficient safeguards in respect of vetting vehicles and drivers on their own terms. In these cases there is no need for the burdens of general licensing criteria to be met. Public bodies in particular, such as the NHS and education authorities, need to set up large contracts for transporting children and vulnerable individuals. Such organisations are best placed to set standards and monitor their attainment.


I understand the NHS usually insist on CRB's, however the document appears to refer to contracting parties and contractual arrangements, to me this suggests a working agreement for gain. And wonder why the LC would wish to include a relatively minor activity such as weddings and funerals, at the behest of a far larger operation in respect of 'volunteer drivers'.

I would also suspect the major majority of funeral directors are certainly not aware of what the LC plan for them.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:33 am 
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captain cab wrote:
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If they are exempt will the drivers need to have a CRB check?


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14.45 The rationale for the contract exemption was that where long-term contractual arrangements are in place the contracting parties can put in place sufficient safeguards in respect of vetting vehicles and drivers on their own terms. In these cases there is no need for the burdens of general licensing criteria to be met. Public bodies in particular, such as the NHS and education authorities, need to set up large contracts for transporting children and vulnerable individuals. Such organisations are best placed to set standards and monitor their attainment.


I understand the NHS usually insist on CRB's, however the document appears to refer to contracting parties and contractual arrangements, to me this suggests a working agreement for gain. And wonder why the LC would wish to include a relatively minor activity such as weddings and funerals, at the behest of a far larger operation in respect of 'volunteer drivers'.

I would also suspect the major majority of funeral directors are certainly not aware of what the LC plan for them.


I think the LC done bugger all for months then at the last Minute Discussed a few Ideas over Lunch and jotted down their Ideas on the back of a Players NO6 packet, It reads like the Rushed Homework of a lazy pupil... #-o


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:26 am 
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I would also suspect the major majority of funeral directors are certainly not aware of what the LC plan for them.


Maybe someone should put them wise?

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I would also suspect the major majority of funeral directors are certainly not aware of what the LC plan for them.


Maybe someone should put them wise?



I think that's getting done in the morning......if I recall the NI Act....they were similarly included in the act.

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14.45 The rationale for the contract exemption was that where long-term contractual arrangements are in place the contracting parties can put in place sufficient safeguards in respect of vetting vehicles and drivers on their own terms. In these cases there is no need for the burdens of general licensing criteria to be met. Public bodies in particular, such as the NHS and education authorities, need to set up large contracts for transporting children and vulnerable individuals. Such organisations are best placed to set standards and monitor their attainment.

But what the Law Commission are missing is that although the big boys might do it properly, there are thousands of crooks who wont. ](*,)

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