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Will anything come out of the findings of the sub-committee...

Yes something will come out of it, but there is a chance that what does come out isn't what those requesting it wanted.

By a very long stretch. :shock:

A levelling of the playing field would be nice, very nice, very, very nice indeed!!

Would a one-tier system meet your niceness criteria? :shock:

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Will anything come out of the findings of the sub-committee...

Yes something will come out of it, but there is a chance that what does come out isn't what those requesting it wanted.

By a very long stretch. :shock:

A levelling of the playing field would be nice, very nice, very, very nice indeed!!

Would a one-tier system meet your niceness criteria? :shock:

One-tier, two-tier, five-tier or twenty-five-tier; it don't matter to me & that ain't the problem!!

I doubt very much whether any of the representative bodies that have submitted written evidence or will submit oral evidence have even touched on the problem.

The Transport Select Committee decided to call for written evidence, followed by oral evidence & the unions, HC & PH bodies ALL jumped on the bandwagon & were led down the garden path, instead of saying, "Hey wait a minute, we're not the problem"!!!

The problem isn’t PH or HC.

IT’S ENFORCEMENT!!!

You can have as many or as few tiers as you like, you can have the whole of the legislation re-written by James (call me Jim) TH Button, or NALEO, or TDO, or Uncle Tom Cobley & All for that matter;

BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE A PROPER STRUCTURED SYSTEM OF ENFORCEMENT WITH LOSS OF VEHICLE FOR MISDEMEANOURS, NOTHING THE SELECT COMMITTEE OR GOVERNMENT DO WILL BE EFFECTIVE!!!

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SYSTEM OF ENFORCEMENT WITH LOSS OF VEHICLE FOR MISDEMEANOURS


A tad disproportionate, innit?

And I'm not talking about your typeface :wink:

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Brummie is right though, its all about enforcement, the law is perfectly clear.

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the law is perfectly clear.

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Indeed; no room for ambiguity whatsover. :?

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
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the law is perfectly clear.

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Indeed; no room for ambiguity whatsover. :?



Ok lad.....what dont you understand, let uncle wayne and uncle brummie tell you.......but you can't sit on my knee :lol:

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SYSTEM OF ENFORCEMENT WITH LOSS OF VEHICLE FOR MISDEMEANOURS

A tad disproportionate, innit?

And I'm not talking about your typeface :wink:

I don't think it is disproportionate; many countries do it.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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SYSTEM OF ENFORCEMENT WITH LOSS OF VEHICLE FOR MISDEMEANOURS

A tad disproportionate, innit?

And I'm not talking about your typeface :wink:

I don't think it is disproportionate; may countries do it.


Do it for what precisely?

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SYSTEM OF ENFORCEMENT WITH LOSS OF VEHICLE FOR MISDEMEANOURS

A tad disproportionate, innit?

And I'm not talking about your typeface :wink:

I don't think it is disproportionate; may countries do it.

Do it for what precisely?

Sorry, I see where you're coming from.

I should have written;

BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE A PROPER STRUCTURED SYSTEM OF ENFORCEMENT WITH THE ULTIMATE PENALTY BEING LOSS OF VEHICLE FOR MAJOR MISDEMEANOURS, NOTHING THE SELECT COMMITTEE OR GOVERNMENT DO WILL BE EFFECTIVE!!!

By that I mean mainly illegal plying for hire. Even if you had a one-tier system, you will always get the occasional unlicensed guy with an unlicensed vehicle chancing his arm.

And if you continued with a two-tier system, it would have to be for persistent offences, which would apply to HCs as well when plying out of area. And that does go on.

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One-tier, two-tier, five-tier or twenty-five-tier; it don't matter to me & that ain't the problem!!

If a one-tier system isn't a problem for you, then why are you in favour of taxi quotas?

A one-tier system would mean in your manor, at a guess, several thousand more hackneys. :?

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One-tier, two-tier, five-tier or twenty-five-tier; it don't matter to me & that ain't the problem!!

If a one-tier system isn't a problem for you, then why are you in favour of taxi quotas?

A one-tier system would mean in your manor, at a guess, several thousand more hackneys. :?

My point was that enforcement is the big issue. You can have whatever you like, but without enforcement nowt will work.

As for the one-tier system, they would all have to be WAVs, so that would lose, one, two, quite a few!!

And as for taxi quotas; without some sort of regulation, chaos reigns. But then Brum does not have the quality control of fleets of PH & HC that other areas have.

A level playing field is about everything being equal, regionally & nationally.

For instance, I would welcome a strict quality control & age policy on all licensed vehicles nationally, but that's only one piece of the level playing field jig-saw.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
A level playing field is about everything being equal, regionally & nationally.

For instance, I would welcome a strict quality control & age policy on all licensed vehicles nationally, but that's only on piece of the level playing field jig-saw.


Indeed, but there's certainly nothing about restricted numbers that contributes to the level playing field jigsaw.

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Indeed, but there's certainly nothing about restricted numbers that contributes to the level playing field jigsaw.


and we were getting on like a house on fire too :lol:

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MAJOR MISDEMEANOURS


But isn't 'major misdemeanours' an oxymoron?

I mean, it's like saying, "let's bring in stiffer penalties for major minor crimes". :D

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Councils and Councillors are often blamed for the way enforcement and licensing is controlled in their licensing authority.... when the truth is that most councils have very little knowledge in this particular area, and they have to rely on the advice given to them by their licensing offices and in turn by their department heads..... people who often take on the role of management( traffic management) when previously having been employed within the council with totally different responsibilities...ie( has spent years training in the removal of rubbish and rat catching)... the biggest problem the trade has is caused by licensing officers.. that interpret the present laws to suit themselves.... the real reason for this is so that they can climb to greater levels of responsibility within their councils which in turn takes them to a higher pay level.... in other words caused as much red tape as possible so that more people are employed to deal with the red tape.. :wink:

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