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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:55 pm 
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A controlled environment!!! You are having a laugh. How come there are so many drunks around the town centres if drinking in town centres is controlled? When was the last time you saw a bar tender or bar owner prosecuted for serving someone who was already drunk?


Are you suggesting bar tenders are regularly breaking the law....or the police / local authorities aren't enforcing it?

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Both.
How many times do you see a fight break out when some drunk has been thrown out of a pub by a bouncer? And how many times have the police tried to find out how the person got drunk?


Beer and fiughting go together, as long as it doesn't go too far it's not a problem, as demonstrated in the school yard, prevent the vent and knives appear, then you do have issues.

What CC is saying is indoors they have no one to say you've had enough go home, down the pub the LL says time to go and in a normal person that is enough of a wake up to say I've had enough.

He's also correct with the smoking ban, all those in favour simply wanted to mess with something that doesn't concern them, window shoppers, well thx to them the treasury is now down 25% on revenue, and that's before you take into account the background sales like cigs and clothing etc.


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DRUNKENNESS (CONVICTIONS, CARLISLE).

HC Deb 17 June 1921 vol 143 cc781-2W 781W

Sir J. D. REES

asked the Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department, as Chairman of the Central Control 782W Board (Liquor Traffic), whether he will give the number of convictions for drunkenness in Carlisle during the first 13 weeks of 1921 and the increase or decrease on the figures for the corresponding 13 weeks of 1920?

Sir J. BAIRD

The convictions for drunkenness in the City of Carlisle for the first complete 13 weeks of 1920 and 1921 are as follows:

1920 32

1921 39


Increase in 1921 as compared with 1920, 7.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:24 pm 
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That still does not answer the question that I asked. How many bartenders or landlords have been prosecuted for serving people who are drunk?
Lets make it easier, just go back say 10 years.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:21 pm 
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Are you suggesting bar tenders are regularly breaking the law....or the police / local authorities aren't enforcing it?

I don't know of one bar tender that enforces the act.

As for council enforcement of said bar tenders. ](*,)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:07 pm 
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That still does not answer the question that I asked. How many bartenders or landlords have been prosecuted for serving people who are drunk?
Lets make it easier, just go back say 10 years.


I don't know there's bound to be thousands of the useless tw*ts.....as you say, the streets are full of drunks.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:10 pm 
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Rather than people going to the pub now, drinking alcohol in a controlled environment...


Presumably you've never worked nights?


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A controlled environment!!! You are having a laugh. How come there are so many drunks around the town centres if drinking in town centres is controlled? When was the last time you saw a bar tender or bar owner prosecuted for serving someone who was already drunk?


Are you suggesting bar tenders are regularly breaking the law....or the police / local authorities aren't enforcing it?

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Both.
How many times do you see a fight break out when some drunk has been thrown out of a pub by a bouncer? And how many times have the police tried to find out how the person got drunk?


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Much of the licenced trade in this country is an absolute disgrace.

I mean, the supermarkets are currently the villians of the piece, but I shop in Tescos several times a week at all times of the night and day, yet I've never seen anyone stagger out of there with their purchase.

Meanwhile, outside the 'controlled environment' of the pubs and clubs.... :roll:


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Much of the licenced trade in this country is an absolute disgrace.

I mean, the supermarkets are currently the villians of the piece, but I shop in Tescos several times a week at all times of the night and day, yet I've never seen anyone stagger out of there with their purchase.

Meanwhile, outside the 'controlled environment' of the pubs and clubs


That's cos Tesco don't sell drugs of the illegal variety :wink:

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Much of the licenced trade in this country is an absolute disgrace.

I mean, the supermarkets are currently the villians of the piece, but I shop in Tescos several times a week at all times of the night and day, yet I've never seen anyone stagger out of there with their purchase.

Meanwhile, outside the 'controlled environment' of the pubs and clubs


That's cos Tesco don't sell drugs of the illegal variety :wink:


or permit the consumption of their stella

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Q201 Chair: Could you give us an idea of the areas that you are looking at? Some of the areas that have been brought to us are issues to do with national and local schemes, cross-border hire issues and enforcement issues. Are those the areas that you are looking at?

Norman Baker: Yes, loosely. I don't come with any preconceptions except to say that I do accept that the arrangements are quite varied across the country and the legislation is quite archaic. There will be one or two recent judgments, of which you may be aware, which have in a sense altered the balance of what the Department previously thought was the case. There is the Stockton judgment in particular, obviously, but there is also the district auditor's involvement at Guildford. So there are one or two issues where we have to look afresh at where we are.


http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Adm ... /2430.html

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:13 pm 
Well at least they seem to have the retention of the existing 2 tier system so that is something.

They also seem to want to move ticketing of touts etc to fixed penalty, so again no bad thing imo.

Should deffo get a standard car age limit and livery scheme.

Cross border is a difficult one, if someone whats to call in from outside then that customer should have that choice, however the op responsible for that car should be made to enforce policy that no one unbooked goes to the other areas, I think making the taxi firm owner responsible for his drivers is the way forward in levelling the field.


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Well at least they seem to have the retention of the existing 2 tier system so that is something.


How did you come to that conclusion :?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:06 am 
"Recommendation 5. We recommend that the Government provide clearer guidance to local authorities on how taxis and PHVs should be included in local transport plans. (Paragraph 21)


Recommendation 7. We agree with the Minister that the licensing of taxis and PHVs should remain a local function, not least because of the likely cost and complexity of instituting a national system. (Paragraph 23)

Recommendation 9. We are sympathetic to the argument that offences relating to taxis and PHVs, such as plying for hire, should be dealt with by fixed penalty notices rather than court action and we recommend that the Government should move in this direction when it comes to reform the legislation in this area. (Paragraph 26)"

There is three examples that suggest the existing format will be retained, otherwise the wording wouldn't be taxis and phv it would be simply one or the other.


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"Recommendation 5. We recommend that the Government provide clearer guidance to local authorities on how taxis and PHVs should be included in local transport plans. (Paragraph 21)


Recommendation 7. We agree with the Minister that the licensing of taxis and PHVs should remain a local function, not least because of the likely cost and complexity of instituting a national system. (Paragraph 23)

Recommendation 9. We are sympathetic to the argument that offences relating to taxis and PHVs, such as plying for hire, should be dealt with by fixed penalty notices rather than court action and we recommend that the Government should move in this direction when it comes to reform the legislation in this area. (Paragraph 26)"

There is three examples that suggest the existing format will be retained, otherwise the wording wouldn't be taxis and phv it would be simply one or the other.



That was the select committee.....not law commission.
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Wow where did my post go :?

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