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Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:07 pm

MR T wrote:

Councils and Councillors are often blamed for the way enforcement and licensing is controlled in their licensing authority.... when the truth is that most councils have very little knowledge in this particular area, and they have to rely on the advice given to them by their licensing offices and in turn by their department heads..... people who often take on the role of management( traffic management) when previously having been employed within the council with totally different responsibilities...ie( has spent years training in the removal of rubbish and rat catching)... the biggest problem the trade has is caused by licensing officers.. that interpret the present laws to suit themselves.... the real reason for this is so that they can climb to greater levels of responsibility within their councils which in turn takes them to a higher pay level.... in other words caused as much red tape as possible so that more people are employed to deal with the red tape.. :wink:

I like a man who's not cynical!!

MR T · **Joined:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:26 pm **Posts:** 8529

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

MR T wrote:

Councils and Councillors are often blamed for the way enforcement and licensing is controlled in their licensing authority.... when the truth is that most councils have very little knowledge in this particular area, and they have to rely on the advice given to them by their licensing offices and in turn by their department heads..... people who often take on the role of management( traffic management) when previously having been employed within the council with totally different responsibilities...ie( has spent years training in the removal of rubbish and rat catching)... the biggest problem the trade has is caused by licensing officers.. that interpret the present laws to suit themselves.... the real reason for this is so that they can climb to greater levels of responsibility within their councils which in turn takes them to a higher pay level.... in other words caused as much red tape as possible so that more people are employed to deal with the red tape.. :wink:

I like a man who's not cynical!!

Not cynica in the Slightest.. only speaking the truth....

Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:37 pm

Caledonian Cabbie wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

A level playing field is about everything being equal, regionally & nationally.

For instance, I would welcome a strict quality control & age policy on all licensed vehicles nationally, but that's only one piece of the level playing field jig-saw.

Indeed, but there's certainly nothing about restricted numbers that contributes to the level playing field jigsaw.

Restricting numbers is the only way, if your LA does not have a sensible vehicle quality or age policy & Brum does not!!

If you don't have restrictions under such conditions, then chaos does reign.

That's been proven internationally; Taipei is unrestricted & without any vehicle quality control, so drivers eat, sleep, sh*t & p*ss 24 hours a day in their vehicles with one taxi per 4 people of the population. Great way to carry on!!

The whole of the Far East awash with rickshaws, cheap, dangerous & deadly; no controls & barely an existence for the drivers.

But then this country has a habit of importing.

Caledonian Cabbie · **Posted:** Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:54 pm

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Caledonian Cabbie wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

A level playing field is about everything being equal, regionally & nationally.

For instance, I would welcome a strict quality control & age policy on all licensed vehicles nationally, but that's only one piece of the level playing field jig-saw.

Indeed, but there's certainly nothing about restricted numbers that contributes to the level playing field jigsaw.

Restricting numbers is the only way, if your LA does not have a sensible vehicle quality or age policy & Brum does not!!

If you don't have restrictions under such conditions, then chaos does reign.

That's been proven internationally; Taipei is unrestricted & without any vehicle quality control, so drivers eat, sleep, sh*t & p*ss 24 hours a day in their vehicles with one taxi per 4 people of the population. Great way to carry on!!

The whole of the Far East awash with rickshaws, cheap, dangerous & deadly; no controls & barely an existence for the drivers.

But then this country has a habit of importing.

Well you allude to many different problems there, but nothing that restricting numbers per se solves.

A hired driver in an unrestricted area will benefit only by having to pay higher rentals, so no benefit to him, thus the whole thing reeks of hypocrisy.

Sussex · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:03 am

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Restricting numbers is the only way, if your LA does not have a sensible vehicle quality or age policy & Brum does not!!

Which does beg the question as to why you don't object to a one-tier system.

I have no problem with it, but I would imagine folks who like quotas wouldn't support a policy of thousands of more cabs.

Or possibly 160,000. :shock:

skippy41 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:57 am

captain cab wrote:

skippy41 wrote:

If the government said the price is FEG £100 per vehicle and a drivers licence that lasts for 5 years is £50 would you object to that ??
Given that it costs no more to run a vehicle from lands end to john o'groats except for insurance costs and fuel whats the matter with a national licence price the DVLA dont have regional variations for a drivers licence or the BBC for a TV one do they

If I can disect this a bit at a time.

You grab the figure of £100, from where exactly?

You also grab the figure of £50 and tell me it's for 5 years.........again from where?

You again grab the figures for vehicle costs.....which in my view are incorrect.

The DVLA issue a license, they dont revoke it.

CC

I did put the letters FEG before the post meaning for example, the price also, but the price would be OK making it a level price nationally, as there are vast differences in council prices
Do any of you think that a new set of rules that all councils must adhere to could be issued to stop council making it up as they go along??
Yes I know that BP is issued, but most councils choose to ignore it

captain cab · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:09 am

skippy41 wrote:

I did put the letters FEG before the post meaning for example, the price also, but the price would be OK making it a level price nationally, as there are vast differences in council prices
Do any of you think that a new set of rules that all councils must adhere to could be issued to stop council making it up as they go along??
Yes I know that BP is issued, but most councils choose to ignore it

The point is skip, your area maybe cheaper than another due to your area not having a massive city where there's lots of illegal plying and a need for lots of enforcement.

A national price in my view would be unfair, the cost of living in the South East is far more expensive than in Cumbria or the Scots Borders, this is reflected in fees, staff cost more etc.

If you want rules to adhere to, then have Carlisle's;

WAV only;

3 years old maximum on first license; off at 10.

Saloons 3 on, 5 off

3 tests per year when the cab reaches 3.

Group 2 medical across the board.

Dont choke on your weetabix :wink:

CC

grumpy · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:02 pm

captain cab wrote:

skippy41 wrote:

I did put the letters FEG before the post meaning for example, the price also, but the price would be OK making it a level price nationally, as there are vast differences in council prices
Do any of you think that a new set of rules that all councils must adhere to could be issued to stop council making it up as they go along??
Yes I know that BP is issued, but most councils choose to ignore it

The point is skip, your area maybe cheaper than another due to your area not having a massive city where there's lots of illegal plying and a need for lots of enforcement.

A national price in my view would be unfair, the cost of living in the South East is far more expensive than in Cumbria or the Scots Borders, this is reflected in fees, staff cost more etc.

If you want rules to adhere to, then have Carlisle's;

WAV only;

3 years old maximum on first license; off at 10.

Saloons 3 on, 5 off

3 tests per year when the cab reaches 3.

Group 2 medical across the board.

Dont choke on your weetabix :wink:

CC

ehm, no thanks :lol:

captain cab · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:19 pm

I find it ironic Mr Wilson is now preaching the gospel according to Blueline.

Is'nt he the chap who on 6th March 2006 dropped the vehicle age policy in Berwick and dropped the requirement for himself to visually inspect vehicles?

(before you look for the answer the answer is yes.....i've got the minutes of the meeting)

I bet he was too busy reading van world :lol:

CC

tx_op · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:17 pm

Caledonian Cabbie wrote:

But isn't 'major misdemeanours' an oxymoron?

Naw ! that's a plook cream :wink:

tx_op · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:13 pm

MR T wrote:

interpret the present laws to suit themselves....

Bang on !!

skippy41 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:30 pm

Moved to new thred

captain cab · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:43 pm

skippy41 wrote:

Moved to new thred

what has?

CC

skippy41 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:45 pm

captain cab wrote:

skippy41 wrote:

Moved to new thred

what has?

CC

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15850

captain cab · **Posted:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:11 am

Why did you move it?

I'm not moving ffs.

CC

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