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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:04 pm 
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And again I'm not sure what all this stuff about names and addresses has to do with the debate about a single-tier system.


Wow didn't realise it was a debate about the single tier system I thought it was answering the question regarding whether all ph drivers would pick up from a rank if it was legal to do so. The answer to that is not all drivers want to do that and wouldn't even if it was legal to do so.


Yes, I think we'd established that. =D>


Are you applauding yourself at finally understanding something that was said ages ago :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:17 pm 
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I imagine him more of a Keith Barret ! That taxi driver who rob brydon acted as. :lol:


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He's probably a PH operator nobleman that wants more cabs on his dispatch system.


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As sad as it may sound, but I still believe that dusty bin is NOT a real hackney carriage driver, propeitor, or even a plate Baron.



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His knowledge is the type of knowledge you get when listening to your dad at the end of a shift on a private hire vehicle


Gosh, who could have predicted who would crawl out from under their stones to join in the fun? :lol:

But this makes me wonder why you guys get so het up about an anonymous individual posting stuff on an internet forum that in the grand scheme of things is neither here nor there, indeed an individual who you're quite sure isn't even in the trade. [-(

Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts on the likes of the LC and Brummie's bête noire noire Kris Beuret rather than someone who doesn't even intend responding to the consultation.

All of which frivolity reminds me that rather than spending a couple of hours a day on here achieving little more than raising Mr T's blood pressure I'd maybe be better spending my time actually reading beyond page 15 of the consultation. Who knows what juicy morsels lie within the other 200 plus pages :shock:

Okay Dusty..... you can go back on all the threads through TDO. and you will not find that I have suggested that every city and borough in England and Wales should be capped.

I believe that they should have the right to make that decision themselves. I am also aware that there are places that have never been regulated and work perfectly well.

But you think and advocate that the whole country should have numeral restraints removed which means that you belief that people should have this forced upon them against their will... you know what is best for everyone else. a bit like the Third Reich

You continuously ignore the fact that some drivers need fleet's to be able to make a living... these people don't exist in your world.... in your world it is simply what is best for the owner driver, of which you pretend to be one .

Most drivers who drive for fleets to so because they can't get a drive anywhere else and more than likely cannot get insured... but the fleet's can insure them... but you never recognise the fact that they have a right to earn a living.

And as for my blood-pressure... it's never been lower, I checked it only a hour ago.
but the constant question is why does TDO have a cuckoo in its nest. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:22 pm 
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Are you applauding yourself at finally understanding something that was said ages ago :?


No, I was applauding you, but all I did on the other thread was doubt the claim about PHV drivers not wanting to do street work, or at least the amount of such drivers, and instead wondered if it was about things such as mandatory WAVs and a misunderstanding of what a single-tier system is about, since as the Advisory Group minutes demonstrated even the experts don't seem to have a clue about what it would mean.

But then you came along and made the point about some current taxi drivers driving past people on the rank, which was a bit of a red herring, as was the subsequent stuff about kebabs and puke etc.

I well understood the point being made initially and it was you who took the thread on a wild goose chase. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Okay Dusty..... you can go back on all the threads through TDO. and you will not find that I have suggested that every city and borough in England and Wales should be capped.

I believe that they should have the right to make that decision themselves. I am also aware that there are places that have never been regulated and work perfectly well.

But you think and advocate that the whole country should have numeral restraints removed which means that you belief that people should have this forced upon them against their will... you know what is best for everyone else. a bit like the Third Reich

You continuously ignore the fact that some drivers need fleet's to be able to make a living... these people don't exist in your world.... in your world it is simply what is best for the owner driver, of which you pretend to be one .

Most drivers who drive for fleets to so because they can't get a drive anywhere else and more than likely cannot get insured... but the fleet's can insure them... but you never recognise the fact that they have a right to earn a living.

And as for my blood-pressure... it's never been lower, I checked it only a hour ago.
but the constant question is why does TDO have a cuckoo in its nest. :lol:


TDO has a cuckoo in the nest?

Maybe you're forgetting who set it up in the first place :roll:

As for all that stuff equating letting drivers choose for themself with the Third Reich, blah blah....well I don't think I need to add anything to that. Your opinion speaks for itself. :-|


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:30 pm 
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As for all that stuff equating derestriction with the Third Reich, blah blah....well I don't think I need to add anything to that.




you don't recognise your obsession with controlling other people's lives

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:32 pm 
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As for all that stuff equating derestriction with the Third Reich, blah blah....well I don't think I need to add anything to that.




you don't recognise your obsession with controlling other people's lives


It's you who's the taxi baron :lol:

You really don't get it, do you?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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As for all that stuff equating derestriction with the Third Reich, blah blah....well I don't think I need to add anything to that.




you don't recognise your obsession with controlling other people's lives


It's you who's the taxi baron :lol:

You really don't get it, do you?


you've always been jealous of that even though you don't know whether it's true or not =D>

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Are you applauding yourself at finally understanding something that was said ages ago :?


No, I was applauding you, but all I did on the other thread was doubt the claim about PHV drivers not wanting to do street work, or at least the amount of such drivers, and instead wondered if it was about things such as mandatory WAVs and a misunderstanding of what a single-tier system is about, since as the Advisory Group minutes demonstrated even the experts don't seem to have a clue about what it would mean.

But then you came along and made the point about some current taxi drivers driving past people on the rank, which was a bit of a red herring, as was the subsequent stuff about kebabs and puke etc.

I well understood the point being made initially and it was you who took the thread on a wild goose chase. :D


In your opinion it was a red herring I merely said what happened, you don't know what happens because unlike me you don't live here. I'll be doing some market research soon and talking to lots of ph drivers here would you like me to find out how many of them would like to be able to pick up off ranks while I'm at it :lol:

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The thing is, i think if i was going to go round every ph company and ask if theyd like the best of both worlds.I.E would you like your radio and also be able to pick up of the rank they would probally say yes.The vast majority anyway.But the vast majority would also want to sit at the few places that are available on the few ranks that work in the day.i also think they would want to come out and do that busy hour from 2 till 3 am(yeah right busy !) The vast majority probally think being a hackney in a restricted area is easy money.Like dusty says "plate barons" that charge inflated rents to drivers.In the real world though you should find out how much work there really is to go around on the streets, and can it really be diluted anymore.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:08 pm 
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The thing is, i think if i was going to go round every ph company and ask if theyd like the best of both worlds.I.E would you like your radio and also be able to pick up of the rank they would probally say yes.The vast majority anyway.But the vast majority would also want to sit at the few places that are available on the few ranks that work in the day.i also think they would want to come out and do that busy hour from 2 till 3 am(yeah right busy !) The vast majority probally think being a hackney in a restricted area is easy money.Like dusty says "plate barons" that charge inflated rents to drivers.In the real world though you should find out how much work there really is to go around on the streets, and can it really be diluted anymore.


I'm in an area that was derestricted and as I stated before ph drivers do not want to be able to sit on ranks and yes some would like to be able to pick up flaggers legally but not that many. Our drivers don't need an education on how quiet the streets are we have so many hcs on the circuits which wouldn't be the case if the there was work on the streets. Our council has now restricted the numbers again. Every area is different.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:15 am 
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In your opinion it was a red herring I merely said what happened, you don't know what happens because unlike me you don't live here. I'll be doing some market research soon and talking to lots of ph drivers here would you like me to find out how many of them would like to be able to pick up off ranks while I'm at it :lol:


No Toots please don't bother on my account.

For one you say "drivers need protecting from themselves", so with an attitude like that I somehow doubt if you would approach the exercise objectively.

And you seem either incapable or unwilling to take the WAV issue into account, which was one of the reasons I suggested might make PH drivers unwilling to contemplate plying rights but which wasn't obvious from the point made by Brummers.

And of course there was all that other stuff about workaday brooming of fares which wasn't really relevant to the point either.

Thus I suspect you'd ask a questions along the lines of:

"Would you like to spend £30k on a WAV so that you can stop for a flagger eating a greasy kebab and with puke down their front?"

A slight exaggeration, perhaps, but no thanks Toots, don't bother with the market research for my benefit. :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:22 am 
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What a larff this thread is though.

First derestriction would mean fewer taxis because no one would be able to get the finance for one.

And the PHV drivers wouldn't want one anyway.

And yet Mr T's blood pressure is going through the roof at the thought of all those extra taxis.

Wait though, in fact it isn't, and indeed he's actually one of those normal people who are measuring his BP all the time. :roll:

So is it the ACE Inhibitors or calcium-channel blockers? :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:28 am 
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you don't recognise your obsession with controlling other people's lives


Yes, instead you no doubt subscribe to the Toots perspective that drivers "need protecting from themselves".

By your logic, if you were a slavemaster and William Wilberforce was proposing the abolition of slavery you'd accuse him of "an obsession with controlling other peoples lives" and of a "Third Reich" attitude. :roll:

(OK, Wilberforce was years before Nazism, but you get my drift :D )


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:32 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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you don't recognise your obsession with controlling other people's lives


Yes, instead you no doubt subscribe to the Toots perspective that drivers "need protecting from themselves".

By your logic, if you were a slavemaster and William Wilberforce was proposing the abolition of slavery you'd accuse him of "an obsession with controlling other peoples lives" and of a "Third Reich" attitude. :roll:

(OK, Wilberforce was years before Nazism, but you get my drift :D )

So you see yourself as the modern-day William Wilberforce....yep... that fits the profile

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:39 am 
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Hi Mr Percival, I'm Kags from the Wirral, please don't derestrict, there's too many taxis you know, and some people need protecting from themselves, cos I know better than them. In fact reminds me of the time I said that the trade suited me because it's flexible and I can fit it round my other several sources of income, but please don't let other drivers who rely on the trade for a living have a taxi if they want one, because they'll just cherrypick when they want to work, and they need protecting from themselves you know.

And as I said, there's too many taxis, but I know a nice man from Sefton called Trevor who has a fleet, and instead of drivers running their own taxi if it suits them they can go to Trev and get a drive there and pay him his inflated rentals, because remember if they drove for themselves there'd be too many taxis and they need protecting from themselves, ideally by driving a taxi for the selfless and benevolent Trev. And anyway, allowing drivers the choice to work for themselves would amount to controlling peoples' lives and be like the Third Reich, innit?And don't forget that if anyone disagrees with this then they can't be a real taxi driver, in fact he'll probably be a child pretending to be an adult whose Daddy in fact drives a PHV, thus clearly not a real taxi driver at all and needs to grow up a bit


Now you posted this at 9. 53 before I had even made reference to some of the contends at 10.17 has TDO now become capable of time travel

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