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Sub Contracting of work across local authority borders

In the last couple of years three companies have gone to the wall and in the process they have cost the ‘taxi’ trade many millions of pounds. The companies involves, Fraser Eagle, Connect Point (who appear to have been a phoenix company of Fraser eagle) and Elite Cars, were arguably operating illegally by sub contracting the work they received across local authority borders.

This sub contracting was specifically shown to be illegal in the case of Shanks vs. North Tyneside Council, nevertheless, through reasons such as train operating companies giving local taxi firms no choice, the law was ignored, and again, it cost the trade millions.

For those of you currently thinking, I’ve gone ‘whacko’, he’s writing in riddles, I’ll give you the SP.

Well, the station master at the local rail station suddenly realises a number of passengers have got off the train and due to the usual errors the train didn’t arrive on time and the passengers, through no fault of their own, missed their various connections.

In the old days, the station master would call a local cab company and get the passengers delivered to their destinations. The cab drivers either as individuals or as co-operatives would invoice the rail company for the fares.

Now, with train companies trying to streamline, and them not wanting different invoices from cab companies the length of the UK, they sub contract the job to a company which is effectively a broker. A kind of one stop shop that will get them a cab and deliver them a single invoice. This means one invoice to check at the end of each month instead of hundreds and presumably satisfies all those bullshit things such as service standards.

Hmmm service standards, to any right minded person that means a company that will supply a driver who is decent and clean and a fairly good cab......in reality to the broker it is the price the mug will do the job for. I digress.

As you will be aware, the Private Hire sector are very proud of being private hire, so much so, in many areas they call themselves taxi companies. I’m sure there is a good reason for doing this, and I’m sure it has nothing to do with misleading the public, but again I digress.

So basically, what seems to happen, a company that has ‘won’ the rights to a particular rail companies work, will seek a local operator to cover the rail replacement work.

Being extremely attentive, they seem to concentrate on the price as opposed to the type of vehicles actually carrying out the job on the ground.

Therefore Private Hire companies and vehicles are often the ones doing sub contracted rail replacement work, which is via the booking being placed in an area many miles away from where the vehicle is actually licensed.

For reasons known only to rail companies, the DFT and whoever else, this, in my view, illegal (well according to the judge in the Shanks case) is conveniently ignored.

Author:	captain cab [ Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:	LC & Sub Contracting
Will the LC allow the likes of Fraser Eagle, Connect Point, Elite Cars and the t*xibank scams to continue? It would certainly appear so with their attitude towards sub contracting....or 'sub subcontracting' as the scam is widely known. Nice to see one company appear on wikileaks! http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fraser_Eagle_ ... ,_Feb_2009 http://www.zimbio.com/member/gigglemal/ ... aser+Eagle This company was mentioned numerous times on many threads on TDO, lest we forget the implications of sub subcontracting.

Author:	Sussex [ Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:12 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: Will the LC allow the likes of Fraser Eagle, Connect Point, Elite Cars and the t*xibank scams to continue? Yes, and no-doubt there will be a long queue of firms offering them credit.

Author:	captain cab [ Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:13 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: captain cab wrote: Will the LC allow the likes of Fraser Eagle, Connect Point, Elite Cars and the t*xibank scams to continue? Yes, and no-doubt there will be a long queue of firms offering them credit. I agree, and this is why the practice needs stopped.

Author:	captain cab [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:00 am ]
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Sub Contracting of work across local authority borders In the last couple of years three companies have gone to the wall and in the process they have cost the ‘taxi’ trade many millions of pounds. The companies involves, Fraser Eagle, Connect Point (who appear to have been a phoenix company of Fraser eagle) and Elite Cars, were arguably operating illegally by sub contracting the work they received across local authority borders. This sub contracting was specifically shown to be illegal in the case of Shanks vs. North Tyneside Council, nevertheless, through reasons such as train operating companies giving local taxi firms no choice, the law was ignored, and again, it cost the trade millions. For those of you currently thinking, I’ve gone ‘whacko’, he’s writing in riddles, I’ll give you the SP. Well, the station master at the local rail station suddenly realises a number of passengers have got off the train and due to the usual errors the train didn’t arrive on time and the passengers, through no fault of their own, missed their various connections. In the old days, the station master would call a local cab company and get the passengers delivered to their destinations. The cab drivers either as individuals or as co-operatives would invoice the rail company for the fares. Now, with train companies trying to streamline, and them not wanting different invoices from cab companies the length of the UK, they sub contract the job to a company which is effectively a broker. A kind of one stop shop that will get them a cab and deliver them a single invoice. This means one invoice to check at the end of each month instead of hundreds and presumably satisfies all those bullshit things such as service standards. Hmmm service standards, to any right minded person that means a company that will supply a driver who is decent and clean and a fairly good cab......in reality to the broker it is the price the mug will do the job for. I digress. As you will be aware, the Private Hire sector are very proud of being private hire, so much so, in many areas they call themselves taxi companies. I’m sure there is a good reason for doing this, and I’m sure it has nothing to do with misleading the public, but again I digress. So basically, what seems to happen, a company that has ‘won’ the rights to a particular rail companies work, will seek a local operator to cover the rail replacement work. Being extremely attentive, they seem to concentrate on the price as opposed to the type of vehicles actually carrying out the job on the ground. Therefore Private Hire companies and vehicles are often the ones doing sub contracted rail replacement work, which is via the booking being placed in an area many miles away from where the vehicle is actually licensed. For reasons known only to rail companies, the DFT and whoever else, this, in my view, illegal (well according to the judge in the Shanks case) is conveniently ignored.

Author:	Nidge2 [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: LC & Sub Contracting
captain cab wrote: Sub Contracting of work across local authority borders In the last couple of years three companies have gone to the wall and in the process they have cost the ‘taxi’ trade many millions of pounds. The companies involves, Fraser Eagle, Connect Point (who appear to have been a phoenix company of Fraser eagle) and Elite Cars, were arguably operating illegally by sub contracting the work they received across local authority borders. This sub contracting was specifically shown to be illegal in the case of Shanks vs. North Tyneside Council, nevertheless, through reasons such as train operating companies giving local taxi firms no choice, the law was ignored, and again, it cost the trade millions. For those of you currently thinking, I’ve gone ‘whacko’, he’s writing in riddles, I’ll give you the SP. Well, the station master at the local rail station suddenly realises a number of passengers have got off the train and due to the usual errors the train didn’t arrive on time and the passengers, through no fault of their own, missed their various connections. In the old days, the station master would call a local cab company and get the passengers delivered to their destinations. The cab drivers either as individuals or as co-operatives would invoice the rail company for the fares. Now, with train companies trying to streamline, and them not wanting different invoices from cab companies the length of the UK, they sub contract the job to a company which is effectively a broker. A kind of one stop shop that will get them a cab and deliver them a single invoice. This means one invoice to check at the end of each month instead of hundreds and presumably satisfies all those bullshit things such as service standards. Hmmm service standards, to any right minded person that means a company that will supply a driver who is decent and clean and a fairly good cab......in reality to the broker it is the price the mug will do the job for. I digress. As you will be aware, the Private Hire sector are very proud of being private hire, so much so, in many areas they call themselves taxi companies. I’m sure there is a good reason for doing this, and I’m sure it has nothing to do with misleading the public, but again I digress. So basically, what seems to happen, a company that has ‘won’ the rights to a particular rail companies work, will seek a local operator to cover the rail replacement work. Being extremely attentive, they seem to concentrate on the price as opposed to the type of vehicles actually carrying out the job on the ground. Therefore Private Hire companies and vehicles are often the ones doing sub contracted rail replacement work, which is via the booking being placed in an area many miles away from where the vehicle is actually licensed. For reasons known only to rail companies, the DFT and whoever else, this, in my view, illegal (well according to the judge in the Shanks case) is conveniently ignored. Cabline screwed us over last month for £7,000

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Author:	toots [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:18 pm ]
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Nidge2 wrote: Cabline screwed us over last month for £7,000 Is that the one in Nottingham or the other one?

Author:	Sussex [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:09 pm ]
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Nidge2 wrote: Cabline screwed us over last month for £7,000 Really? Is there a money problem?

Author:	grandad [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:12 pm ]
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Nidge2 wrote: Cabline screwed us over last month for £7,000 They used us once about a year ago. I got my money after about 6 weeks. Now you have put this, I will make sure that we don't do work for them again. Cheers.

Author:	Nidge2 [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:26 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: Nidge2 wrote: Cabline screwed us over last month for £7,000 Really? Is there a money problem? Sounds like it, we've tried to get hold of Jim and Gary who run the gaff but everytime we ring they don't seem to be in. We did some AA work and National Express work.

Author:	Nidge2 [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:27 pm ]
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toots wrote: Nidge2 wrote: Cabline screwed us over last month for £7,000 Is that the one in Nottingham or the other one? Beeston.

Author:	Nidge2 [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:28 pm ]
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grandad wrote: Nidge2 wrote: Cabline screwed us over last month for £7,000 They used us once about a year ago. I got my money after about 6 weeks. Now you have put this, I will make sure that we don't do work for them again. Cheers. No problem, I'd hate for anyone on here to suffer the same as us.

Author:	captain cab [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:10 pm ]
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Via wikileaks http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fraser_Eagle_ ... ,_Feb_2009

Author:	Sussex [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: LC & Sub Contracting
captain cab wrote: Via wikileaks http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fraser_Eagle_ ... ,_Feb_2009 DfT are doing their damndest to ensure more and more Frazer Eagles are allowed to ruin more and more local firms.

Author:	grandad [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:11 am ]
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Sussex wrote: captain cab wrote: Via wikileaks http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fraser_Eagle_ ... ,_Feb_2009 DfT are doing their damndest to ensure more and more Frazer Eagles are allowed to ruin more and more local firms. I don't think that it how they see it but that is the reality of it.

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Author:	Sussex [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:01 am ]
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grandad wrote: I don't think that it how they see it but that is the reality of it. I'm certain they see it as a minor issue i.e. a few broken down cabs here and there needing covering. But that's because they have been mugged off by the Barons. If it was such a major issue, all the DfT need do is allow an exemption for such rare events in any new or old act. Not f***ing rocket science.