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No it Wouldnt, It would only feck up the bigger more profitable runs that most of us currently rely on...Just Imagine how you would feel if you started work at 8am and by 3.30pm had accrued 6 hours of driving work during heavy slow moving traffic. and only half of that was Passenger Paid work (that's 3 hours Paid work), then your sitting in your Rank and a customer asks you to take him to an airport or wherever some 130 miles away or, you look at your tacho and you realise you have still to have a rest break and just under 3 hours of permitted drivng time left, your pretty much Screwed as you know this £180 run is not available to you as you do not have enough hours driving time left to complete the run. the guy will just go to someone else on the rank in the hope they have enough driving time left to take him.

Id much rather be able to do that run, Id be dropping off the client by around 6pm, still wide awake...and I'd still be home for 10pm in the evening after having rested up for an hour enroute home, that would be around 12 hours of actual driving within a 24 hour period broken up by several breaks and with no driving stint having been of more than 3.5 hours...Don't know about you chaps but That amount of driving does not tire me out in the slightest.

I might even Have a long lie next day or even the day off as I feel I've had a pretty good day the day before to merit it.

That's where being tacho'd does not work, you need to have so many days off, so many rest breaks it,s just to inflexible for small operators, the only winners would possibly be the fleet owners who have more drivers than you could shake a stick at. but you , me and most others in here could not afford the extra staff required just to gain the same amount of work brought about by the amount of Days and Hours you can work. You would be turning lucrative work away on a regular basis.

The very Nature of our work means It's feast or famine...you really have to make the money when the works there just to cover those many days when no clients are to be found..this job just is not consistent enough.

Its all fine and well you hacks taking the View that us PH would be kicked in the knackers hard by tacho's being introduced..but in reality those PH's would turn to hacking to continue operating and as a result your ranks would be overflowing with ex PH guys who would be pretty much welcomed under deregulation and the loosening up of things by the Law commissions report

For Certain it would dramatically increase Taxi and PH fares as extra drivers would be need to fill the driver time Void left by Self Employed drivers and employers of drivers having to hire in extra staff just to stand still with their present work load. And I cannot See cash strapped Councils, NHS or other Government bodies who issue Transport TAXI Contracts wanting to pay more for that service in these difficult times. and if no other reason than that the TAXI tacho is doomed to failure.

here's a suggestion for you BK.

Try reading your post again and then understand how you've just made the argument for tachos

I wonder whether you fully understand what's happening here?



In fact, take the term tacho out of your mind and read my original post again. It might help you.

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Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

I wish you luck with this one Jas. I doubt if he'd get it after a hundred re-reads.

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Look.Im not Feckin stupid..I drive the hours when they are there, If I didnt work longer during the Busy season I would not survive the lean season and when I say longer I do not mean Extreme hours. IVe done this Job for 13 years and never had any issue affecting safety of others I,m sure that goes for most in here, I do not and would not Drive Tired, but It would a stupid feckin rule that meant I could not for Example do School runs on some days because I had a Late'ish run the night before.

The nature of the Dictates that its not as straight forward as that og an HGV driver or a Bus driver, their Work/runs are usually planned in advance...Our work Is'nt ..It's more fluid, you Never no when or where your next client wants to go until They are in the Vehicle or at best a short while before we pick them up.

The Problem here is that I do see it, I see it all to well, and I fear that you lost cant see the bigger picture and all the repercussions and drawbacks to having a tacho..They might be super dooper to the employee on a steady salary but they are the kiss of death to the self employed.

You lot are welcome to your views and to air them.......And I am Entitled to mine and to air them as well.


Maybe a TDO vote on the matter might be a good Idea...lets see what the Majority of Taxi Drivers want and then the Majority of PH drivers want...and then Total up the scores and look at the results.

I cant get fairer than that.

Tacho's are not detrimental to your plight Jasbar, I guess there are other reasons as to why you are where you are right now..but It's not other drivers hours to blame.

Its not about not "Getting it" or not..It's that I dont agree with It...big differance

"differance"?

What you describe is a one off, a rare occurrence.

What I described is a norm where guys are working 7 days 12 hours, more if they can steal them from the other shift.

What part of this did you not understand?

Even the example related to one specific city based PH company, and some jobs allocated within it. That's a big clue, even for you.

I suspect you didn't read the post. You just saw the word "Tacho", had a rush of blood to the head and shot your mouth off through your keyboard.

Try again!

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

Then Maybe you should never Have mentioned Tachographs..Period! And focused purely on your dislike for that Particular PH companies practice of long hours.

Your advocating using a sledge hammer to crack a very small nut.

Besides, It won't make a jot of differance, They wont Listen anyway.

You're defo not the brightest candle in the box. You sure you're not Dougie in disguise

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

Sorry Jim, but you really do have this great ability to self explode amongst your rather better moments.

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Does not matter what the Topic matter is, If it goes against Jasbars thinking then It just has to be wrong and it follows that who ever miffs him has to be an idiot and everything that ails him then becomes their fault, and that it would seem is everybody but Jasbar himself...talk about being tetchy!!!

Chill out, tis small wonder you have copious amounts of unproductive run in's with so many

So what your saying is it's perfectly acceptable to leave public safety in the hands of individual drivers?
All of whom are sensible people who wouldn't work on when they're tired

TBH this reminds me of my father's generation re drink driving. The I know when i've had too much brigade.
Didn't think there was anything wrong with driving to the pub at lunchtime, having 2 or 3 pints and driving back to work.
Still thought it was ok to stop in by the local after work and have 2 or 3 more before driving home.

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We Do not live in the Ideal world, but the Kneejerk reaction to Tacho all for the sake of a minority is pure folly. The real Idiot driver would simply flaunt the rules anyway and that means only the law abiding amongst us would suffer.

There will always be the Drink driver, the Drugged Driver, and the Driver that falls asleep at the wheel....But the occurrence of PH or Hacks falling asleep or driving dangerously due to tiredness is very low and certainly no worse than it is for any UK road user. Should we have to Tacho every single car In Britain? after all anyone can be a bit guilty of being tired.

There would be no benefit to it at all, for feck sake you lot would have a safety rule for everything given half a chance, there will be more folk die being Hit by Trains at level crossings and those are heavily regulated...

This is just making a Mountain out of a mole hill...yes the odd accident might happen, but that's just life. These accidents could happen for any number of reasons.

No connection here, And even if there were they Didn't single out PH or HACKs just in case they were likely to be the biggest offenders. No, they stiffened up the punishment for those being caught and Changed the Public's attitudes by gentle persuasion and education rather than enforce a need for an anti-Alky-meter to be compulsorarily fitted in everyones Car..

Its more Driver Education, that's needed on such things..not heavy handed, Business impeding compulsory Tachograph rules.!!

Driver education just doesn't work on the thick headed irresponsible ones who know they are right.
And it doesn't help when your talking about a trade where 12 hour days are the norm and 20 odd hour shifts are far from unheard of.
How do you test for tiredness BTW?

Self regulation doesn't work. Period. If it did, buses and lorries wouldn't have got them.
It will come for taxis and PH too. Sure as sh!t's brown.

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Tacho’s can’t tell how tired a driver is. What if someone has a 9-5 day job, then drives a Taxi at night ?. Thankfully most people are responsible & if they’re not, then aye, they should have the book thrown at them. I agree with, “Blood” tho’, comparing lorry & bus drivers to us is daft.