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She can now obtain an op licence from Berwick, problem solved.
Wouldn't see need to relocate her base if she did?


We have a taxi firm here operating vehicles with SKDC plates plus one rutland plated but based in Rutland (all vehicles hackney) neither Rutland cc or SKDC have any problem with it as far as I'm aware


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Apparently Berwick have just licensed this because another LA refused.



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This practice has got to be stopped.

Berwick upon Tweed Council are abusing the system for profit, PH operators are abusing the system for profit.

And the champion of the common Cab driver, Mr JD supports this profiteering.

I hope the PH operator in Darlington takes the matter to court ........... and I hope that the other PH operators in Darlington start to advertise the fact that they only use vehicles licensed by Darlington Council that therefore meet the stringent criteria laid out by them, and that the PH operator concerned is using vehicles which do not.

I know that in my own area many firms are using "out of town" HC's ............. but the biggest and most sucessful is not.

If we are going to get into the position where quality restrictions replace quantative restrictions then we must unite and specifically outlaw this practice as we all did with S75.

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And the champion of the common Cab driver, Mr JD supports this profiteering.

Well get Terry to change the law. :-s

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I hope the PH operator in Darlington takes the matter to court

I hope she does as well. :wink:

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I think you have you a complete misconception not only of the law but also the human rights act which gives everyone the freedom of choice.

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Don't the councils have a duty of care.

Isn't it the case that councils policies are formed by elected representatives of the people.

Isn't is also a consideration of any council that the policies they form should be fair and resonable as well as lawful and also in the best interest of the people they are elected to serve.

You also fail to answer Mr T's perfectly legitimate question, so I will repeat it - "If your son or daughter got into a vehicle licensed in Berwick from your home in Manchester and was overcharged and then threatened to make the requested payment ................... where would they complain to ?"

Their choice was to phone a Manchester firm ................. but they didn't choose to be conveyed in a vehicle licensed in Berwick.

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And the champion of the common Cab driver, Mr JD supports this profiteering.

Well get Terry to change the law. :-s


:roll: :-s :roll:

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I hope the PH operator in Darlington takes the matter to court

I hope she does as well. :wink:


I'm on my way to Sunny Sussex in my 12 year old car licensed as a HC in Berwick.

Any ideas on where I could get a radio ................ maybe I could get one at the same office as you?

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Oh-the-way you try to twist things,


lol you do have a way with words?

I suppose if you don't have an answer to the points being raised then the easy option is to say "you do like to twist things"? Why don't you just answer the points I raised and have done with it?

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of course people should have choices,


Well i'm glad you agree on that, so we can assume that you don't mind Sefton hackney cabs working Darlington? Agh? I forgot you do mind sefton hackney cabs working Darlington, for one reason only and that is in your opinion they wont be around for the occasional limited taxi rank spot check conducted by Sefton licensing officials.

Is that the only reason?

I suppose in that case all these Berwick owners working in Darlington have to do is voluntary toddle off up to Berwick and say hey! Test my vehicle for defects because I'm not the type of person who runs and hides every time I smell the presence of a licensing official.

Would that suit you?

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but people should also feel confident that the vehicles they travel in are safe


You may not believe it but you once said "the public aren't concerned what type of vehicle they ride in as long as they get home"?

I must admit I couldn't agree with you more but in this case the vehicles are licensed, albeit by Berwick.

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you have made it quite Clear that it is your intention to support this company in its legal action, have you not


Indeed I have and I shall give the lady in question any help and advice that she requires.

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a company that operates vehicles from another district, vehicles that will not be checked simply because of the distance


Well I do not subscribe to your theory that the vehicles cannot or will not be checked simply because of the distance because VOSA can strike anywhere and at anytime an likewise the LO of can call a vehicle in at anytime. Therefore just like the smokescreen of double shifted cabs in restricted areas offering a better service your argument is redundant.

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let's say a passenger, no your daughter get into a Berwick licensed vehicle in Darlington and is overcharged, who does she complain to


I have three daughters so you can see who wears the "Genes" in our household but I suspect any one of them would first complain to me and then they would complain to the private hire company who they hired the vehicle from.

Do you suggest any different?

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Darlington council sorry miss we have no jurisdiction over this vehicle.


lol the fact is Trevor, if the vehicle doesn't have a meter, the council has no jurisdiction over private hire fares, period. The person that does is the operator of the private hire vehicles and any retribution will start with him or her.

So considering I have you in check mate, I'll await your next response.

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If we are going to get into the position where quality restrictions replace quantative restrictions then we must unite and specifically outlaw this practice as we all did with S75.



Well if all LAs had consistent quality control then it wouldn't matter.

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I'm on my way to Sunny Sussex in my 12 year old car licensed as a HC in Berwick.

Any ideas on where I could get a radio ................ maybe I could get one at the same office as you?

As long as you pay the weekly radio rent I think at the moment he would take a horse and carriage on. :shock:

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Oh-the-way you try to twist things,


lol you do have a way with words?

I suppose if you don't have an answer to the points being raised then the easy option is to say "you do like to twist things"? Why don't you just answer the points I raised and have done with it?

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of course people should have choices,


Well i'm glad you agree on that, so we can assume that you don't mind Sefton hackney cabs working Darlington? Agh? I forgot you do mind sefton hackney cabs working Darlington, for one reason only and that is in your opinion they wont be around for the occasional limited taxi rank spot check conducted by Sefton licensing officials.

Is that the only reason?

I suppose in that case all these Berwick owners working in Darlington have to do is voluntary toddle off up to Berwick and say hey! Test my vehicle for defects because I'm not the type of person who runs and hides every time I smell the presence of a licensing official.

Would that suit you?

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but people should also feel confident that the vehicles they travel in are safe


You may not believe it but you once said "the public aren't concerned what type of vehicle they ride in as long as they get home"?

I must admit I couldn't agree with you more but in this case the vehicles are licensed, albeit by Berwick.

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you have made it quite Clear that it is your intention to support this company in its legal action, have you not


Indeed I have and I shall give the lady in question any help and advice that she requires.

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a company that operates vehicles from another district, vehicles that will not be checked simply because of the distance


Well I do not subscribe to your theory that the vehicles cannot or will not be checked simply because of the distance because VOSA can strike anywhere and at anytime an likewise the LO of can call a vehicle in at anytime. Therefore just like the smokescreen of double shifted cabs in restricted areas offering a better service your argument is redundant.

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let's say a passenger, no your daughter get into a Berwick licensed vehicle in Darlington and is overcharged, who does she complain to


I have three daughters so you can see who wears the "Genes" in our household but I suspect any one of them would first complain to me and then they would complain to the private hire company who they hired the vehicle from.

Do you suggest any different?

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Darlington council sorry miss we have no jurisdiction over this vehicle.


lol the fact is Trevor, if the vehicle doesn't have a meter, the council has no jurisdiction over private hire fares, period. The person that does is the operator of the private hire vehicles and any retribution will start with him or her.

So considering I have you in check mate, I'll await your next response.

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JD

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If we are going to get into the position where quality restrictions replace quantative restrictions then we must unite and specifically outlaw this practice as we all did with S75.



Well if all LAs had consistent quality control then it wouldn't matter.


I agree .............. however are the standards to be set to the highest or the lowest possible.

I think that each area needs to get their own house in order ............ they need to regain control of the licensing function .................. and they need to stop issuing plates for profit and concentrate on their responsibilities.

B. Lucky :D

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MR T wrote:
Your rambling Again


Well perhaps you can answer the points in your own inimitable way? lol

Have you not heard of the Houghton Weavers?

I'm a rambler I'm a gambler from Manchester way, I spent all my money on taxi plates today.

Haven't heard it for a long time but it still has fond memories. lol

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Let's see now, we have a hackney cab, working a private hire system that under his conditions of Licence must have a meter fitted, that has taken his meter out, breaking his conditions of Licence in his licensed district, but is operating in another district under private hire rules, that looks like and is a Hackney on the streets but will of course not pick up a flag. and of course cannot be prosecuted for not having a meter because there are no licensing officers from his district, and you are happy with that. :roll:

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