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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:15 pm 
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Yeah ok I'm wrong and you're right and 100 odd cabs havent been snatched back here because they're all making so much money that isnt possible :roll: Ffs I don't claim to know everything, but, this I do know and that is de-restriction hasn't worked here at all. You should think about it seriously before you get on your high horse and make such demands from the council


I can't recall commenting on those 100 cabs being snatched back Toots, could you point me towards where I did?


I never said you did, did I?

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So why is there a shortage then? Correct me if I'm wrong, but low earnings generally means oversupply, or is it different in Tootsland and your area?


I'll answer it this way.

The system is so good the public still at certain times still experience shortages of taxis.

This is in despite of the taxi fleet being in some cases 10 times larger than it was before deregulation.

Do you think we should go on adding more taxis?

If we do can you tell them what shifts to work?

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Yeah ok I'm wrong and you're right and 100 odd cabs havent been snatched back here because they're all making so much money that isnt possible :roll: Ffs I don't claim to know everything, but, this I do know and that is de-restriction hasn't worked here at all. You should think about it seriously before you get on your high horse and make such demands from the council


I can't recall commenting on those 100 cabs being snatched back Toots, could you point me towards where I did?


I never said you did, did I?


So what did you mean when you said:

"Yeah ok I'm wrong and you're right and 100 odd cabs havent been snatched back "

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Yeah ok I'm wrong and you're right and 100 odd cabs havent been snatched back here because they're all making so much money that isnt possible :roll: Ffs I don't claim to know everything, but, this I do know and that is de-restriction hasn't worked here at all. You should think about it seriously before you get on your high horse and make such demands from the council


I can't recall commenting on those 100 cabs being snatched back Toots, could you point me towards where I did?


I never said you did, did I?


So what did you mean when you said:

"Yeah ok I'm wrong and you're right and 100 odd cabs havent been snatched back "


What the hell do you think she meant?

ffs

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why do the public experience a shortage of taxis

Before that the general thrust of your posts have been one of disbelieving what toots was stating.

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So why is there a shortage then? Correct me if I'm wrong, but low earnings generally means oversupply, or is it different in Tootsland and your area?


There's low earnings cos there is no work and lots of cabs. There is a shortage at times cos there are no cabs and people who want them, but, not very many people

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The system is so good the public still at certain times still experience shortages of taxis.

This is in despite of the taxi fleet being in some cases 10 times larger than it was before deregulation.



So there's still a shortage of taxis at some times?

Well I wouldn't deny that, but there seems to be a change of emphasis here.

Previously the suggestion seemed to be that at some times supply was worse than it was before derestriction.

So now you just seem to have reverted to stating the obvious.

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What the hell do you think she meant?

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Not sure, because I hadn't commented on that particular issue :roll:

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There's low earnings cos there is no work and lots of cabs. There is a shortage at times cos there are no cabs and people who want them, but, not very many people


Well thanks for clearing that up :roll:

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Previously the suggestion seemed to be that at some times supply was worse than it was before derestriction.

So now you just seem to have reverted to stating the obvious.


Sometimes the supply is worse than it was prior to de-restriction cos the drivers don't work the quiet times anymore so there is a shortage. Prior to de-restriction there was a shortage at the busy times. There is still a shortage but now it's at the quiet times instead of the busy times. All in all de-restriction hasn't cured anything it's just made cab drivers poorer.

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:

So there's still a shortage of taxis at some times?

Well I wouldn't deny that, but there seems to be a change of emphasis here.

Previously the suggestion seemed to be that at some times supply was worse than it was before derestriction.

So now you just seem to have reverted to stating the obvious.


Yes there's still certain periods when all the newly licensed taxis dont cover the demand. Makes you wonder if it was all worth it really?

Its a bit like going into a bank at dinnertime, you dont get to the cashier straight away, except the times usually arent lunchtimes. Its Saturday or Sunday morning 8am after all the cabs have been at work all night.

I dont think anyones reverted back to saying anything.

The only person not saying anything in this thread is you.

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Yes there's still certain periods when all the newly licensed taxis dont cover the demand.


Any did anyone claim they would?


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Its a bit like going into a bank at dinnertime, you dont get to the cashier straight away, except the times usually arent lunchtimes. Its Saturday or Sunday morning 8am after all the cabs have been at work all night.


So ALL the cabs work Friday/Saturday night and none the next morning? :roll:

Toots seemed to think the undersupply problem was Sun/Mon/Tues/Wed nights.

And overranking during the day, presumably excluding Saturdays and Sundays:

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Anyway WBC now have the issues of over ranking at night outside the clubs and pubs of the Wirral. Over ranking in daytime at the shopping areas. With few or very taxis available Sun, Mon, Tues or Wed evening and night cos it just isn't worth the effort to come out. They've bred a trade of cherry pickers who will work daytime Mon to Wednesday and day and night on a Thursday to Saturday where drivers work excessively long hours.


So is there any official information anywhere to support that, because it just doesn't ring true.

Of course there will be less taxis out at the time you mention, but that's because there's less demand.

Toots seems to be saying that it's more difficult for the public to get a taxi on Mon/Tues night than at the weekend nights, but I find that very hard to believe.

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Prior to de-restriction there was a shortage at the busy times. There is still a shortage but now it's at the quiet times instead of the busy times.


But if there's a shortage of taxis from the public's perspective then that means a busy time for the taxi driver?

Swannee said this shortage of taxis could equate to earnings of one pound per hour - how can there be a shortage of cabs for the public if the driver is just taking such paltry amounts - that surely means taxis sitting around doing nothing, not a 'shortage'.

And I wonder how much drivers were earning at these £1/hour periods PRIOR to derestriction?

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Prior to de-restriction there was a shortage at the busy times. There is still a shortage but now it's at the quiet times instead of the busy times.


But if there's a shortage of taxis from the public's perspective then that means a busy time for the taxi driver?

Swannee said this shortage of taxis could equate to earnings of one pound per hour - how can there be a shortage of cabs for the public if the driver is just taking such paltry amounts - that surely means taxis sitting around doing nothing, not a 'shortage'.

And I wonder how much drivers were earning at these £1/hour periods PRIOR to derestriction?



You just don't understand do you,

Taxi drivers MUST have some time off.

If they all come out to work at the busiest times and for long hours, then at the quieter times they will likely have some time off. Therefore you get shortages at quiet times.

It is common sense really, even though it might sound strange.

Maybe you would like to work massive shifts seven days a week, but I would not, and I dont think it would be safe.


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But if there's a shortage of taxis from the public's perspective then that means a busy time for the taxi driver?

It seems like a statement but then ends with a ?. Are you not sure of the statement you where going to make? It would seem with a comment like this that you are quite ignorant of the workings of taxi drivers in de-restricted areas.

As CC said earlier you ask a lot of questions. You appear to have no concept of the idea of debate. Being informed on the issues requires that we become acquainted with alternative points of view, which is something you have no desire to do. You only desire to find out what other people think so you can slate their opinion. That is not debate. It would add to the debate if you actually joined in and gave an honest and open contribution

With comments from Jasbar like this "The wee guy, pashed off at being exploited by the "big" guy, just wants his own plate. End of." It's no wonder there is no room for debate with him.

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
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Yes there's still certain periods when all the newly licensed taxis dont cover the demand.


Any did anyone claim they would?



The general thrust of your questioning seemed to allude to it.

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Its a bit like going into a bank at dinnertime, you dont get to the cashier straight away, except the times usually arent lunchtimes. Its Saturday or Sunday morning 8am after all the cabs have been at work all night.



So ALL the cabs work Friday/Saturday night and none the next morning?

Toots seemed to think the undersupply problem was Sun/Mon/Tues/Wed nights.

And overranking during the day, presumably excluding Saturdays and Sundays:


The major majority of cabs work the shifts they know they can get better money on.

This morning we have 3 cabs at work, sunday morning we will have 2 cabs till lunchtime, last Monda morning I was called out because we didnt have a single cab on the road. Which if your wanting a cab is presumably not enough?

Deregulation has brought about a worse shift coverage.

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So is there any official information anywhere to support that, because it just doesn't ring true.

Of course there will be less taxis out at the time you mention, but that's because there's less demand.

Toots seems to be saying that it's more difficult for the public to get a taxi on Mon/Tues night than at the weekend nights, but I find that very hard to believe.



Hmmm official information? How about the reasons numerous councils have re-regulated numbers? If the policy was actually successful then surely re-regulation wouldnt have been considered?

You could look at the last wirral survey, which proved even though taxi numbers had more than doubled, the public were still not getting a service in certain areas, with honeypot areas such as Birkenhead being worked by taxis.

Some would say the wirral survey proves the policy of deregulation is flawed and didnt actually solve anything.

In respect of the point you make regarding less taxis at certain times, surely the main thrust of deregulation was to IMPROVE the service to customers, not make it worse?

As for what Toots says about coverage during the early part of the week, thats the experience up here too during certain periods.

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