Taxi Driver Online

Do you not remember that the disabled used to be the Government's burden.... ambulances used to ferry them around everywhere and of course social services.. but the clever little bassstards, managed to palm off the responsibility on to the taxi trade.. at no cost to the government............. why would they suddenly want to start paying again...

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

In that case its time for a change of Government thinking...or maybe its just time for a change of Government.

Well done.

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IDFIMH

No it's not rubbish.

You are saying that as some PH have proper signage it leads punters to believe they are licensed to pick up off the street. Taxis outside of their area are in exactly the same position.

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IDFIMH

LTI started the ball rolling with their WAV.

Regards

JD

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oddly enough me to....Except once when I took a lady that I had collected by Meet and Greet at an airport and who had Just happened to have the Same name and was heading to the same Hotel...by good fortune another PH Vehicle did the same with the Other Client Half an hour later after a flight Delay...Luckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee indeed!!

I have no problem with having more enforcement and I have no problem in paying for adequate enforcement ................... but I doubt that hundreds of enforcement officers would be required ..................... up here when 2 are out then the cowboys get themselves away home and the PH boys are very selective ................ multily that number by 10 and put them on shifts 24hrs a day and enforcement would not just be seen to be working it would be



Nationally recognisable YES.
Nationally issued NO.

One size and design for all HC and a different size and design for PH.

One design for drivers badges for HC and a different design for PH.



I could not agree more.



I don't understand how a argument for single tier can be put forward containing continued referance to PH. (generally .............. not specifically Brummie Cabbie)

If you want single tier then it would have to be WAV only ................ everything else suggested here is more complicated than the current system, more open to abuse and harder to enforce.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

WAV only discriminates against the majority of disabled people

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I didn't say that taxis were not in the same position..... I said your post was rubbish

Down here if & when the enforcement are out, usually about a dozen times a year on a Friday night & some other sundry times day or night, about a dozen times again throughout the year, what happens is this. They chase PH away from one venue after they have formed a rank, so off PH go to another spot where their company has a ‘contract’. with the pub or club etc. As soon as enforcement move on to the next venue to shoo off PH, they are back to the first venue. And so on, & so on.

It’s a never ending problem & short of posting an enforcement officer outside every venue in the city & suburbs, enforcement will never win. The problem is just too massive. Every licensing committee meeting in Birmingham there are drivers on discipline after being to court and convicted. Here are just some links to the licensing committee agendas in Birmingham, for some months this year. Have a look at how many are being done each month & they are not even scratching the surface;

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/democracy/ ... ID%3d32650

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/democracy/ ... ID%3d33541

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/democracy/ ... ID%3d34253

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/democracy/ ... ID%3d34812

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/democracy/ ... ID%3d35798

The system we have at the moment is just NOT enforceable; it does not work.

One of the better ways, if you can call it that, is what Nottingham did in August 2006. They employed two new enforcement officers, but their terms of reference were that they would ONLY work nights, no day work for them. Perhaps other councils should follow this approach. We have asked our LO to consider it. After all ‘taxi’ work is 24/7/365 & the enforcement must at least match that if it is to have any chance of being successful.

I would imagine PH reading this are having a right chuckle.



After the IoL Taxi Reform Questionnaire, I have a feeling that they may be looking closely at what has happened in the Republic if Ireland in recent years. Over there they had 35 licensing areas around the country now they have one for the whole country, including Dublin. There is a subtle difference though. The fares are the same throughout the country, everywhere. The vehicles are licensed for the whole country (which makes sense; I’ll come back to that). The drivers though are only licensed for an area.

When the Irish government brought the new system in, they produced an 18 page booklet to explain to the nation why this had happened.

Taxis were licensed for the whole country for two reasons. Firstly, the taxis could be used on a 24 hour basis in the same or adjacent areas with two drivers licensed by the same or two different areas,. So, Patrick Fitzmichael could us it on days in Dublin & theoretically Michael Fitzpatrick could use it in Cork on nights. That allowed for maximum usage of the taxi. But, with the taxi being licensed for the whole country, the vehicle standard is identical for the whole country. Not a bad thing that, IMO.

I don’t know how they guard against drivers working in the wrong area, i.e. an area they are not licensed for.



The IoL questionnaire mentioned colours and liveries in some questions to distinguish taxis from other vehicles. If you had taxis as BLACK ONLY and then added to that a NATIONALLY STANDARDISED LIVERY of the kind that Eurocabs have, thick yellow stripes on both sides with TAXI in yellow as well, then you could use WAVs, big saloons & big MPVs ALL BLACK & ALL WITH THE YELLOW LIVERY.

Not particularly MY cup of tea! But looking at it from the point of view, WILL IT WORK? ….. then perhaps it might. And it would be much more easily enforceable in a one tier system. BUT, if it comes to pass that a one tier system it is, then it better work, & work well.

And as for using saloons the size of a Toyota Avensis; try getting four 20 stone men in one of those & then tell me they will be travelling in comfort. No chance!

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Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.

The Institute of Licensing is a business not a government agency.

Refering to them in the same context as the government is misleading to those who know no different.

What these people did was gather your support to issues without you knowing who you were giving information to OR what they would do with it ................... and if they ever get the ear of the government they will claim that they have your full support.

Now you seem like a nice bloke Brummie and you do offer perspective particularly when describing issues locally to you .............. but don't be fooled these web pages are like every other with people wanting you to think your something that they are not .............. so they can F**K you.

They will agree with you and call you nice names until you start to uncover their real intentions .................... and then they'll claim that your lying and they at no point ever touched your b0ll0cks even though they tried to get a handfull ............... heard the story before?

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Brummie .... when you're referring to Ireland..... it would be beneficial if you stated how much a person has to pay for their licence..... whether it be a saloon Licence..... or whether it be WAV Licence...... from where I am sitting it looks very much as if they took the plate value away from the working man.................. and transferred it into their own government bank accounts.....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

I think most people are in favour of getting rid of councillors as regulators, after all, why do we need them? The ready made alternative is the existing structure of the Traffic Commissioners body. It already has the infrastructure and associated licensing enforcement and testing setup. It would be fairly straightforward to include Taxi licensing in that setup.

Does anyone disagree?

Regards

JD

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I don't think any cab driver would disagree that license renewal each year is just a tax on cab drivers. There is no reason why a badge should be issued every year except as a revenue exercise. Councils have to raise this revenue on an annual basis to pay their staff, however a life long badge with perhaps a five or ten year photographic update is more realistic.

Control would consist of the usual two or three yearly crb check with a yearly sworn declaration posted to the licensing body.

Every driver license number would be flagged on the internet as either being active or inactive. Inactive could mean the license is revoked or suspended or anything else. It could be an offence to employ anyone with an inactive license which could result in the employer losing all their licenses. Anyone who works with an inactive license could also commit an offence.

Every vehicle owner wishing to employ someone on their vehicle would by law have to contact the licensing office to confirm the license is active, that would mean anyone with an inactive license would not be able to legally find employment as a cab driver until such time their license had become active.

Every owner submitting a vehicle for an MOT test would have to make a declaration on the form that they do not employ any driver with an inactive license. All vehicle owners who also have a drivers license would have to include their driver license number on the form so that it can be checked as being active. Any license not active for the purpose of being suspended or revoked would need to be verified as to whether the status had a category "A" flag which would disqualify the driver from licensing a vehicle or a category "B" flag which would exclude the driver from driving while allowing them to operate a vehicle.

Different colour license plates would be used each year to detect those who try to drive while disqualified.

Besides their photo ID badge a driver would also have their own unique ID which would by law have to be placed in the vehicle windscreen. This would contain the drivers number, the area they are allowed to work and the date the badge was issued and anything else of importance. Anyone without reasonable excuse not displaying the unique ID or the correct ID could be committing an offence.

Regards

JD

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Oh yes ..................... I do.

The extra burdens that will be placed upon the whole licensing community are something that would without any doubt lead to their detriment.

However, I suggest that after many years of trying unsuccessfully to negatively influence councils you are starting to become "found out" and are looking for a new authority to operate licensing with whom you may have more success.

Also I doubt that the political party driven government will remove taxi and PH licensing away from political party driven councils.

Anyway .............. Local Authority is best placed to decide local issues.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.