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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:44 pm 
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I hate to say 'I told you so.' [From a couple of years back!] :lol:

The number of vehicles will always expand to meet the demand. If there are no hackney plates available, they'll just get PH plates. There is nothing anyone can do about that phenomena in a free market.


People are going to really love this free market when a few people have lost their jobs.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:46 pm 
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Well actually Sussex I was wondering where the "significant" unmet demand is, other than the usual few hours a week I'm not seeing it.

We have to remember that demand doesn't have to be obvious (patent). It can be latent, i.e. demand lost to the hackney trade now being met by PH, or even buses if the survey says folks have given up waiting for a cab and now get a bus. Or even walk.

Also down here the peaked/un-peaked demand equation has changed. Before if patent demand only happened at the busy hours at the weekend, then no taxi SUD was ever reported. That's changed now as the DfT now say someone waiting at those hours is as important as someone waiting during the week.

IMO if anything it's more important as folks are more vulnerable late at night, which follows on from the sad rape cases.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:48 pm 
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So how long had the 1.56 passengers been waiting?

Well it looks too long.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:22 pm 
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A FRESH bid is being mounted to lift Edinburgh's long-standing cap on taxi licences after a report found a "significant" unmet demand for black cabs.

Depending on how many extra cabs the survey calculated I can't see how any of the existing applicants can be refused now.

Also I wonder how many of the idiots will now repeat the 'where's the unmet demand then?' question to Mr Taylor and Mr Skull. :D


Well actually Sussex I was wondering where the "significant" unmet demand is, other than the usual few hours a week I'm not seeing it.

The figures over sixteen days which include Christmas don't suggest to me that there is an large unmet demand, so until we can see the details I would reserve judgement on that.

32,392 passengers and 20,761 cab departures? what does that actually mean?

32392 divided by 20761 makes it 1.56 passengers per departure, the fleet in Edinburgh would have a minimum capacity of 103,805 passenger seats so perhaps you could say we are operating at under one third of our capacity. :)

So how long had the 1.56 passengers been waiting?


Stu, there's a huge "unmet demand" now just get over it . . . . :lol:


Well it hasn't translated into any rise in my takings, infact the opposite is true, I just want the figures to peruse first.

But let's be clear about this, the article just gives the figures in passenger numbers and vehicle departures, pretty meaningless without the waiting times because that amount of passengers would fit in the number of vehicle departing three times over.

There also seems to be something wrong with this appearing in the Edinburgh evening News before the Taxi trade stakeholders were informed and I can't find anything on the council website about it either.

I wouldn't go as far as "huge unmet demand" either, there is obviously going to be some periods in December where there are extraordinary demands for taxis but January and February? personally I've not seen it and that's all I can say about it really.

I've no reason to get over anything, yet. :-s :)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:27 pm 
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stu wrote:
pretty meaningless without the waiting times because that amount of passengers would fit in the number of vehicle departing three times over.

Maybe if they all went in the same direction at the same time.

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Sussex wrote:
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So how long had the 1.56 passengers been waiting?

Well it looks too long.


Well at times it probably is but if everywhere shuts at the same time then you are always going to get a good few thousand people immediately wanting to get home at the same time. :)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:29 pm 
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I wouldn't go as far as "huge unmet demand" either, there is obviously going to be some periods in December where there are extraordinary demands for taxis but January and February?

TBH I'm frankly amazed a survey was undertaken during December. :?

If I was a conspiracy theorist I would say the council wanted a certain outcome, and got it. :shock:

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If I was a conspiracy theorist I would say the council wanted a certain outcome, and got it. :shock:


why how dare you :shock:

but saying that.....

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:31 pm 
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Well at times it probably is but if everywhere shuts at the same time then you are always going to get a good few thousand people immediately wanting to get home at the same time. :)

Not sure if you lot have had the new licensing laws, but down here the closing times are stretched throughout the night. No longer the 2.00am mad rush.

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Sussex wrote:
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pretty meaningless without the waiting times because that amount of passengers would fit in the number of vehicle departing three times over.

Maybe if they all went in the same direction at the same time.


Well I usually get more than one person in the cab, sometimes you get five all at the same time, otherwise we would be as well with a smart car each. :lol:

I wonder about it though. :doubt:


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Well at times it probably is but if everywhere shuts at the same time then you are always going to get a good few thousand people immediately wanting to get home at the same time. :)

Not sure if you lot have had the new licensing laws, but down here the closing times are stretched throughout the night. No longer the 2.00am mad rush.


Na, it's almost medieval here these days, the best way to stop disorder is to disgorge several thousand drunk folk onto the streets at exactly the same time, always works really well too. :roll:


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Stu, it's all over just accept it. :roll:


The plug will be pulled in the very near future.


The government are behind the change of policy - the End.

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Well that's fine Skull, but it won't be the end for many of us I would imagine. 8)

It cuts both ways though and I know where the buck stops, I couldn't care less and in some respects it may aid me, just interested that's all.


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Well that's fine Skull, but it won't be the end for many of us I would imagine. 8)

It cuts both ways though and I know where the buck stops, I couldn't care less and in some respects it may aid me, just interested that's all.



What, you spend 50K for a plate and a year later it "may aid" you?
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Skull wrote:
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Well that's fine Skull, but it won't be the end for many of us I would imagine. 8)

It cuts both ways though and I know where the buck stops, I couldn't care less and in some respects it may aid me, just interested that's all.



What, you spend 50K for a plate and a year later it "may aid" you?
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Yes,I think it will. :)


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