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I bet Skull is one of those who thinks ALL kids should stay in the education system till they are at least 30? even if they are as thick as 2 short planks nailed together, and there HAS to be under-achievers or theres no point in grades is there!

employers who need unskilled workers need to get them from somewhere

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How do you determine your worth when you have no way of knowing your value? Your value is therefore dictated by those who decide your worth for you. It is in their financial interests to have an abundance of cheap labour and a compliant and obedient work force.

The first objective of government through its education system is to provide complaint and obedient workers. It is not in their interests or that of big business to have, thinking, members of society capable of determining their own value with an ability to ask questions and to challenge authority. That might upset the balance of more for them and less for you.

A value is then placed on each unit as it leaves the educational factory, McDonalds, Burger King, Tescos, architect, lawyer, taxi driver, etc..

Society being a hierarchal system, is based, for the most part, on your level of “education” (programming) and your ability to comply with instructions. Education, if that's what you want to call it, acts as a filter to remover those who might think for themselves and challenge the authority.

That's not to say that intelligent people don't make it through the system but for the majority who do, they are themselves, compliant and obedient. You don't get on in life by rocking the boat now do you? :-|


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I bet Skull is one of those who thinks ALL kids should stay in the education system till they are at least 30? even if they are as thick as 2 short planks nailed together, and there HAS to be under-achievers or theres no point in grades is there!

employers who need unskilled workers need to get them from somewhere

Why does there have to be under-acheivers? Has everyone not got the right to a education or job ? Should it be only for the elite ? I would think everyone has potential given the chance. The only people who profit from unskilled workers are the big corporations,they count on this for their profits.


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BPool, every system, every graph, every working model needs a baseline, from zero upto maximum, you cant have an average without anything below average and the education system is one of the best examples, they keep adding "A".s and plus plus plus but there has to be tail enders who are achieving under the average, by the way, the education system places too great an emphasis on"clever by results" (its the only way they can measure it, but you can have uneducated geniuses, and the curious issue of "idiot-savant", thats an interesting issue and probably a total case for panic to school teachers and education experts, how can you have a retarded genious?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome

BTW, its possible to be grade d and happy.............and earn a living and avoid poverty

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Apparently he was on his way to church when he heard noises coming from the looted location and went to see if he could help someone in their hour of need. :^o

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... house.html

Of course we wont talk about the £1,800 rent arrears. :-$

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The "thick" rich kids do better than poor clever kids,the biggest factor of how well kids do in later life is the parents income.What is this goverment doing for this taking away money from schools and education,making it only for the rich,is that fair ? You play into that argument by saying we need uneducated people..Everyone should have a chance at least dont you think ?


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The "thick" rich kids do better than poor clever kids,the biggest factor of how well kids do in later life is the parents income.What is this goverment doing for this taking away money from schools and education,making it only for the rich,is that fair ? You play into that argument by saying we need uneducated people..Everyone should have a chance at least dont you think ?


Isn't education compulsary until the age of 16 in this country?

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The "thick" rich kids do better than poor clever kids,the biggest factor of how well kids do in later life is the parents income.What is this goverment doing for this taking away money from schools and education,making it only for the rich,is that fair ? You play into that argument by saying we need uneducated people..Everyone should have a chance at least dont you think ?

Isn't education compulsary until the age of 16 in this country?

Shortly to be 18 years of age.

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BPool, every system, every graph, every working model needs a baseline, from zero upto maximum, you cant have an average without anything below average and the education system is one of the best examples, they keep adding "A".s and plus plus plus but there has to be tail enders who are achieving under the average, by the way, the education system places too great an emphasis on"clever by results" (its the only way they can measure it, but you can have uneducated geniuses, and the curious issue of "idiot-savant", thats an interesting issue and probably a total case for panic to school teachers and education experts, how can you have a retarded genious?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome

BTW, its possible to be grade d and happy.............and earn a living and avoid poverty


If you have an educational system that has exhausted every means in which to educate a child irrespective of their needs and social background. Your argument might have some merit. Unfortunately, this is simply not the case.

The education system is a political solution to provide cheap labour for the work force. It operates. A one size fits all approach which is not centered on the child. I can tell you from personal experience, schools will fight tooth and nail, not, to provide children with special needs the resources they require.


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I can tell you from personal experience, schools will fight tooth and nail, not, to provide children with special needs the resources they require.


:-|


Go on then, tell us.

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grandad wrote:
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I can tell you from personal experience, schools will fight tooth and nail, not, to provide children with special needs the resources they require.

:-|


Go on then, tell us.


I have a son with special needs. :-|


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blackpool wrote:
The "thick" rich kids do better than poor clever kids,the biggest factor of how well kids do in later life is the parents income.What is this goverment doing for this taking away money from schools and education,making it only for the rich,is that fair ? You play into that argument by saying we need uneducated people..Everyone should have a chance at least dont you think ?


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The "thick" rich kids do better than poor clever kids,the biggest factor of how well kids do in later life is the parents income.What is this goverment doing for this taking away money from schools and education,making it only for the rich,is that fair ? You play into that argument by saying we need uneducated people..Everyone should have a chance at least dont you think ?


Thick rich kids don't necessarily 'do better' they just don't have to and yes I know it's unfair. Neither do I agree that the biggest factor of how well a child can do in later life is purely based on their parents income. My income wasn't great so that certainly isn't why my kids are doing well. My parenting skills are good though so perhaps that helped them along the way. You should not blame everything on the government and the systems in place. I know there are plenty of failures due to the government and the systems in place but not everything is their fault.

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Fair pay comes after education and not before.


That doesn't answer the question of what a fair days pay for a fair days work is


If you are not educated enough to know "what a fair days pay for a fair days work is." how would you know?

You can be sure, if taxi drivers were educated enough to know what a fair days pay is, they'd be getting paid a hell of a lot more than they are now.

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Are you saying that you are not educated to know what a fair days pay for a fair days work is? The question was specifically aimed at what YOU thought a fair days pay was :-|

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Thick rich kids don't necessarily 'do better' they just don't have to and yes I know it's unfair. Neither do I agree that the biggest factor of how well a child can do in later life is purely based on their parents income. My income wasn't great so that certainly isn't why my kids are doing well. My parenting skills are good though so perhaps that helped them along the way. You should not blame everything on the government and the systems in place. I know there are plenty of failures due to the government and the systems in place but not everything is their fault.

They do better because they live in more affluent areas,the parents income does play a factor as they will inevitably have a better choice of school.How many times do you see people move to a catchment area to get there kids in the school they want ?I know of many.Yes im sure your a good parent and your kids are doing well,so are mine ,but thats not everyone.Also i dont blame everything on the goverment , just a lot on the tories !! :wink:


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Everyone has thier place in society

clever and thick, even taxi drivers...................

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