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The sad thing is mr failor has been down every ave to try and get his free plate and is now SADLY going on 24/7 about a poor girl getting raped to try and get his FREE plate. what a SICK OLD MAN.


All cities have a shortage of cabs at peak hours, restricted cities even more so.The whole point of the restriction is to limit numbers and therefor limit competition.
Restricted plate numbers result in a greater lack of available taxis at peak hours. That's an undeniable fact. This in turn means people waiting longer at ranks or having to walk. By restricting plate numbers, CEC have allowed this to be a bigger problem than it would otherwise have been.

As I said earlier, at 2am the public don't care if a PH is allowed to pick them up or not, they will use one if they can. The cops don't care either, they just want the streets cleared.
CEC are responsible for PH licencing but have failed to stamp out this practice.

Now the only difference to joe public between a licenced PH and a perv with a mondeo is the plate on the back. PH have no roof sign, no signage and in some cases no meter. Meters and radios are easy to come by on ebay anyway. If the passengers don't look round the back, they may not realise that the car they are getting into is unlicensed or the driver unchecked.
They just assume it's a PH car when it isn't. An easy enough mistake to make on a cold, wet night with a few drinks in.

This is how one thing can lead to another and then another, and then to a tragedy. It may or may not have been forseeable, that is neither here nor there. It has now happened and CEC, Edinburgh police and the trade need to see what can be done to prevent it happening again. Or at least make it harder for the pervs.

It is in a way unfortunate that jasbar was the one to draw attention to this, since it gives those who don't want change the opportunity to claim he is only interested in furthering his own agenda. It is always easy to shoot the messenger, just because you don't like the message. That doesn't make the message any less true.
If this had been highlighted by someone else, especially someone with no interest in taxi politics, how would the message have then been received?

The burning question now is - does keeping a policy in place mean more to your council than the safety of the public ?
Someone needs to look at this from a fresh perspective, before it happens again. Next time there could be a fatality. It does happen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/nor ... 168436.stm


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They just assume it's a PH car when it isn't. An easy enough mistake to make on a cold, wet night with a few drinks in


Its not Just PHs they think theyre getting into....they get that p*ssed they wouldnt tell a fully illuminated taxi from Strawbale with wheels on...theyd mistake any vehicle when they get rat arsed...so dont lay the blame just on PHs.


It's much harder for a perv to masquerade as a hack - the vehicle not being your typical saloon car.


Theres a guy round here runs 2 Ex Black Cab type Vehicles as private motors...he just like them. He's a genuine hut but if someone else was so minded to use them for Ulterior motives it wouldnt take much [edited by admin] to do so...
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It's much harder for a perv to masquerade as a hack - the vehicle not being your typical saloon car.



you think so...................

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/METROCAB-AUTOMATIC-TAXI-WHEELCHAIR-ACCESSIBLE-96-P_W0QQitemZ170283803650QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18308QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LTI-TX1-MANUAL-TX1-98-R_W0QQitemZ170275382841QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18308QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/METROCAB-AUTOMATIC-TAXI-WHEELCHAIR-ACCESSIBLE-96-P_W0QQitemZ170283803655QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18308QQcmdZViewItem

now i know this would be a bit far fetched but it could happen at the end of the day the punters dont look at the plate they look at the yellow light they just want to get home. its all down to the CCTV and police and all this would do is cut the chance of this happening not eliminate it putting more plates on the road is not the answer.

iam sure that taxi companys are supposed to give priority to single females wanting a taxi.


He did say it was much harder, not impossible.
Family saloons are far more common and easier to come by.
And an unlicenced hack like this would stick out like a sore thumb.
If the cops were looking for a perv in an unlicensed hack, they would have found him by now.

You are correct to say that nothing proposed would eliminate the risks to young females. It would however drastically reduce them.

As far as I am aware, no office is under any obligation to prioritise lone females. They may choose to do this but do not have to.

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chipper wrote:
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It's much harder for a perv to masquerade as a hack - the vehicle not being your typical saloon car.



you think so...................

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/METROCAB-AUTOMATIC-TAXI-WHEELCHAIR-ACCESSIBLE-96-P_W0QQitemZ170283803650QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18308QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LTI-TX1-MANUAL-TX1-98-R_W0QQitemZ170275382841QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18308QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/METROCAB-AUTOMATIC-TAXI-WHEELCHAIR-ACCESSIBLE-96-P_W0QQitemZ170283803655QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18308QQcmdZViewItem

now i know this would be a bit far fetched but it could happen at the end of the day the punters dont look at the plate they look at the yellow light they just want to get home. its all down to the CCTV and police and all this would do is cut the chance of this happening not eliminate it putting more plates on the road is not the answer.

iam sure that taxi companys are supposed to give priority to single females wanting a taxi.


So putting more Ph on the road helps protect vulnerable young females. :? Because that's the reality if you fail to expand and let your less regulated competitor soak up your market. The hacks are only too glad to see Ph cgulling off the streets. As long as the end result means no increase in plates.

Whether you like it or not Chip, the larger the Ph fleet becomes the greater the opportunity for pervs to exploit young females.

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So putting more Ph on the road helps protect vulnerable young females. :? Because that's the reality if you fail to expand and let your less regulated competitor soak up your market. The hacks are only too glad to see Ph cgulling off the streets. As long as the end result means no increase in plates.

Whether you like it or not Chip, the larger the Ph fleet becomes the greater the opportunity for pervs to exploit young females.


skull there is no answer to stopping determined pervs who want to carry out attacks like this only cutting down the odds of it happening you and Jim are living in the land of make believe right now when you talk about PH in Edinburgh as you have no clue what you are talking about.
the FACTS are the PH market is in decline right now drivers are getting out owners handing back plates or putting their cars off the road until things pick up or the plate runs out and PH numbers are in decline I know of 10 plates handed back drivers jumping sides and 6 who have got 9 to 5 jobs these are facts
why don’t you and Jim take time and ask the PH what’s going on in there trade I know a lot of these guys and I tell you the horror story’s about what they are making puts you and jims argument against the PH market in the bin big time

Now iam not looking for a argument on this as my info is correct these guys are hurting in a unrestricted market as would the taxi trade if you get your way

As a husband, father and uncle the safety of my wife, daughters and nices is my top priority and more taxis will not stop these attacks. people should educate there daughters how to get home safe I have also the trade can make sure that single females are top priority when they phone up or approach a rank

CEC could have not stopped this attack imo they could do more to educate the public on the diff between the two trades and the police are like taxi at certain times demand out strips supply
one major problem is that diff between what councils let be used as taxis some allow saloons you see them picking up from west Lothian on a sat night on George st now that just adds to the problem and confusion as to what is a taxi and what is not
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IT is with great sadness and frustration that I once again read of an attack on an innocent young girl by a bogus cab operator (News, February 10).

I wrote to the News in August of last year suggesting that all private hire cars licensed by the council should clearly display their firm's livery to enable people to easily distinguish a genuine private hire car.

Unlike distinctive black cabs, private hire cars are only identifies by a taxi plate front and back. Therefore it is very easy for bogus operators to pass themselves off as a veritable private hire car, especially when it is dark.

Can I say that all private hire car operators have sympathy for these girls. Nothing has been done and here we are six months later with another young woman assaulted.

This attack highlights that we are still in need of further measures to avoid bogus operators and help protect passengers. I am left wondering how long we have to wait before there is a murder.

Where are the police, and when are the council going to act?
S Schofield, Craigmillar Castle Avenue, Edinburgh

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A reply from the usual sustect;

I guess Mr Schofield must drive a PH then?

PH have been trying for years to advertise their companies on the vehicles. I remember how they tried to paint all their vehicles the same dreadful colour so they were more readily identifiable.

Private hire is supposed to be just that. A private arrangement between supplier and customer.

Taxis can be hailed from the street. It's the lack of availability that causes customers to look elsewhere. It wouldn't matter what was on the side of PH, it would be easily copied. A few decals to look like a bona fide PH. Still represents potential danger to the inebriated or unwary.

Why necessary, when all it takes is for a reasonable number of taxis to be available, which could happen if the council didn't restrict them.

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The more and more I read about this incident and Jasbars attempt to hyjack
it for his cause enrages me !!!

First of all, why did the female not walk round the corner to the rank ?
Lazy ? didn't know of the rank ? or in my opinion did what she obviously has been doing a number of times ? Flagging down cgulling PH !!

Now Jasbar claims the lack of Taxis (his opinion) was a factor in the alledged assault ! Now if I walk out of my house to go on a night out and get mugged on the way to the main road to get a taxi, is that the fault of the taxi trade for not driving down my street ?

Secondly why did she not phone for a taxi or PH ? Lazy ? didn't have a phone ? (unlikley) or she did what she normally did ? take a risk !!

Once again Jasbar tells us that the radio companies don't answer their phones. Bollocks !!!! with the number of radio companies in Edinburgh, 3 taxi and at least 5 or 6 PH !! And a number of these companies give priority to single females.

finally, imo this female took risks and paid dearly for it. In saying that I believe that she wouldn't have flagged down a ordinary car, so I think the
PH trade has a problem with one of its drivers !!

Now Jasbar blames the taxis and the council for this incident, lets start with the taxis. It is obvious with the story that she made no attempt to phone a taxi company or walk round to the rank only 2 minutes away and its marshaled . so how can we be blamed for not being at the door when she walked out the club ? We cant be at everyones door when they walk out, our numbers would have to be in the hundreds of thousands !

The council! well..... we all know jasbars hatred for the authorities, blame them for everything !

If Jasbar is concerned about every females saftey, why is it he is away home when all the clubs are coming out ? why is it he picks and chooses who he picks up ?

No one deserves to be raped ! but to try and blame only one part of the public transport system is blinkered as we know Jasbar is !!
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The more and more I read about this incident and Jasbars attempt to hyjack
it for his cause enrages me !!!

First of all, why did the female not walk round the corner to the rank ?
Lazy ? didn't know of the rank ? or in my opinion did what she obviously has been doing a number of times ? Flagging down cgulling PH !!

Now Jasbar claims the lack of Taxis (his opinion) was a factor in the alledged assault ! Now if I walk out of my house to go on a night out and get mugged on the way to the main road to get a taxi, is that the fault of the taxi trade for not driving down my street ?

Secondly why did she not phone for a taxi or PH ? Lazy ? didn't have a phone ? (unlikley) or she did what she normally did ? take a risk !!

Once again Jasbar tells us that the radio companies don't answer their phones. Bollocks !!!! with the number of radio companies in Edinburgh, 3 taxi and at least 5 or 6 PH !! And a number of these companies give priority to single females.

finally, imo this female took risks and paid dearly for it. In saying that I believe that she wouldn't have flagged down a ordinary car, so I think the
PH trade has a problem with one of its drivers !!

Now Jasbar blames the taxis and the council for this incident, lets start with the taxis. It is obvious with the story that she made no attempt to phone a taxi company or walk round to the rank only 2 minutes away and its marshaled . so how can we be blamed for not being at the door when she walked out the club ? We cant be at everyones door when they walk out, our numbers would have to be in the hundreds of thousands !

The council! well..... we all know jasbars hatred for the authorities, blame them for everything !

If Jasbar is concerned about every females saftey, why is it he is away home when all the clubs are coming out ? why is it he picks and chooses who he picks up ?

No one deserves to be raped ! but to try and blame only one part of the public transport system is blinkered as we know Jasbar is !!


Feel better for the rant HRB?

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Ross wrote:
The more and more I read about this incident and Jasbars attempt to hyjack
it for his cause enrages me !!!

First of all, why did the female not walk round the corner to the rank ?
Lazy ? didn't know of the rank ? or in my opinion did what she obviously has been doing a number of times ? Flagging down cgulling PH !!

Now Jasbar claims the lack of Taxis (his opinion) was a factor in the alledged assault ! Now if I walk out of my house to go on a night out and get mugged on the way to the main road to get a taxi, is that the fault of the taxi trade for not driving down my street ?

Secondly why did she not phone for a taxi or PH ? Lazy ? didn't have a phone ? (unlikley) or she did what she normally did ? take a risk !!

Once again Jasbar tells us that the radio companies don't answer their phones. Bollocks !!!! with the number of radio companies in Edinburgh, 3 taxi and at least 5 or 6 PH !! And a number of these companies give priority to single females.

finally, imo this female took risks and paid dearly for it. In saying that I believe that she wouldn't have flagged down a ordinary car, so I think the
PH trade has a problem with one of its drivers !!

Now Jasbar blames the taxis and the council for this incident, lets start with the taxis. It is obvious with the story that she made no attempt to phone a taxi company or walk round to the rank only 2 minutes away and its marshaled . so how can we be blamed for not being at the door when she walked out the club ? We cant be at everyones door when they walk out, our numbers would have to be in the hundreds of thousands !

The council! well..... we all know jasbars hatred for the authorities, blame them for everything !

If Jasbar is concerned about every females saftey, why is it he is away home when all the clubs are coming out ? why is it he picks and chooses who he picks up ?

No one deserves to be raped ! but to try and blame only one part of the public transport system is blinkered as we know Jasbar is !!


Your right....jasbar is a tw*t.....you could have saved a few words there you know. :wink:

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The more and more I read about this incident and Jasbars attempt to hyjack
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Calm yourself Ross, it's hardly a hijack.

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First of all, why did the female not walk round the corner to the rank ?
Perhaps she wanted a taxi without freezing her tits of at the rank.


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Lazy ? didn't know of the rank ? or in my opinion did what she obviously has been doing a number of times ? Flagging down cgulling PH !!


Anyone might think she shouldn't need to think PH . . . .


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Now Jasbar claims the lack of Taxis (his opinion) was a factor in the alledged assault ! Now if I walk out of my house to go on a night out and get mugged on the way to the main road to get a taxi, is that the fault of the taxi trade for not driving down my street ?


Possibly?


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Secondly why did she not phone for a taxi or PH ? Lazy ? didn't have a phone ? (unlikley) or she did what she normally did ? take a risk !!


Couldn't get through on the phones perhaps ? Peak times, you know what it's like . . . .

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Once again Jasbar tells us that the radio companies don't answer their phones. Bollocks !!!! with the number of radio companies in Edinburgh, 3 taxi and at least 5 or 6 PH !! And a number of these companies give priority to single females.


I cant' get through on the phones when I'm up the town. That's why a wave money under the nose of the first taxi I come across. Oh and btw, I've used Ph when I can't get a hack.


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finally, imo this female took risks and paid dearly for it. In saying that I believe that she wouldn't have flagged down a ordinary car, so I think the
PH trade has a problem with one of its drivers !!


Of course none of this makes the hacks responsible . . ..

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Now Jasbar blames the taxis and the council for this incident, lets start with the taxis. It is obvious with the story that she made no attempt to phone a taxi company or walk round to the rank only 2 minutes away and its marshaled . so how can we be blamed for not being at the door when she walked out the club ? We cant be at everyones door when they walk out, our numbers would have to be in the hundreds of thousands !


Not quite Ross, it's hardly the same thing.

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The council! well..... we all know jasbars hatred for the authorities, blame them for everything !


No, we're blaming the taxi trade.


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If Jasbar is concerned about every females saftey, why is it he is away home when all the clubs are coming out ? why is it he picks and chooses who he picks up ?

Common sense, females for the most part aren't the problem.

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No one deserves to be raped ! but to try and blame only one part of the public transport system is blinkered as we know Jasbar is !!


No Ross, once again you have it all wrong - in your vain attempt to defend the indefensible - it' s all about choice and service - end of.





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hiya skull mate :D

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hiya skull mate :D

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How's it hanging bro? :wink:

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How's it hanging bro? :wink:


not too well, that'll be the cold :wink:

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