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Why would a big private hire company want Hackney's on its radio system??....

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Why would a big private hire company want Hackney's on its radio system??.... what they want is to be able to give out a job to a driver, and then know that the driver deals with the customer quickly.... they do not want the driver to call back in and say.... can you cover this job as I have a flag.... the two biggest private hire companies in Sefton operate a policy of no Hackney's.... and the companies have grown because of it..... :wink:


I don't think the companies have grown because they don't have hackneys on their system. The 2 largest companies on the Wirral do have hackneys on the system and they are growing all the time. I do believe there are 2 very different reasons why they have all grown. One being that Sefton is still regulated is it not and if so you don't have much choice but to go on a private hire system and 2. The Wirral is de-regulated hence there is not enough work on the streets for the hackneys so they have joined a private hire system.

Lets be honest one of the largest companies in Sefton is indeed one of, if not, the largest company in Europe. Do you think if they needed to have a % of WAV's on their system and couldn't get the quota up they wouldn't take the services of HC drivers (already with a WAV) if they applied to join their system. I think not. I do believe it was a great miscarriage of duty to the disabled not to include PH within this bill

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Leeds have mostly white saloons with a black bonnet and boot as Hacks. They interpet the Law correctly, until this bill (equality) council's had the power under s37 of town police clauses to "license whatever the saw fit".
The purpose of the equality bill was to rescind this clause.


You read the bill / law differently to me then my friend.

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Why would a big private hire company want Hackney's on its radio system??.... what they want is to be able to give out a job to a driver, and then know that the driver deals with the customer quickly.... they do not want the driver to call back in and say.... can you cover this job as I have a flag.... the two biggest private hire companies in Sefton operate a policy of no Hackney's.... and the companies have grown because of it..... :wink:


I don't think the companies have grown because they don't have hackneys on their system. The 2 largest companies on the Wirral do have hackneys on the system and they are growing all the time. I do believe there are 2 very different reasons why they have all grown. One being that Sefton is still regulated is it not and if so you don't have much choice but to go on a private hire system and 2. The Wirral is de-regulated hence there is not enough work on the streets for the hackneys so they have joined a private hire system.

Lets be honest one of the largest companies in Sefton is indeed one of, if not, the largest company in Europe. Do you think if they needed to have a % of WAV's on their system and couldn't get the quota up they wouldn't take the services of HC drivers (already with a WAV) if they applied to join their system. I think not. I do believe it was a great miscarriage of duty to the disabled not to include PH within this bill
Toots..... providing a fast and reliable service to the customer that is also reasonably priced is what makes the company grow, the technology has evolved over the last 20 years that makes it easier for the company to provide that service, the last thing that the company wants is a gremlin.... and hackney drivers are gremlins.... it would not make any difference if Sefton was delimited, the company you refer to would not take them on, they want this system to work smoothly.... private hire only.... that is why they are as big as they are and growing... you cannot say they do not know what they're doing... and they're not the only ones..... and I happen to know that if they had been forced into taking on wheelchair accessible vehicles..... they would not have been licensed hackney.....

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tom2907 wrote:
Leeds have mostly white saloons with a black bonnet and boot as Hacks. They interpet the Law correctly, until this bill (equality) council's had the power under s37 of town police clauses to "license whatever the saw fit".
The purpose of the equality bill was to rescind this clause.


You read the bill / law differently to me then my friend.

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I am not suggesting-that anybody has done anything wrong.... I am saying that they have presented their arguments better... and I'm quite sure that that also goes for the wheelchair accessible vehicle manufacturers....

ie.. imagine you have 2000 saloon vehicles on a private hire fleet that does not allow Hackney's... and you wanted to keep it that way... how would you make your drivers purchase wheelchair accessible vehicles....


Why would you want to, the loss of work would be negligible...There'd be no need..the real benefit by not making PH Wav Compliant would surely be that of the Wav owning Hackney operators who afterwards will have a virtual monopoly on all the nations wheelchair users...cant be bad can it ??? :wink:
I think you're looking at it from the driver's point of view... which is quite correct... I think I am guilty of looking at it from the point of view of whether or not it is good legislation.... I think placing the burden entirely on the Hackney Trade and not placing any legislation regarding the private hire sector... is extremely one sided... and let's face it the majority of disabled telephone for their vehicles... I would have thought that the very least the Government's should have done was to make it a condition of the private hire operators Licence.... that they have a facility to provide a wheelchair accessible vehicle if requested.. that could simply mean contracting out to another firm....



Its a hypothetical view so no point in dwelling on it...PH are exempt for whatever reasons and like it or loathe it I cannot see that ruling changing for quite some time to come..

That all said...If I dont have a WAV and my customer requires one then Id do my best to pass them on to someone who does...
You're quite right... no point dwelling on it... especially with the summer coming and all those light nights... plenty to do in the garden ... and always something more to do in the House... I just can't wait to retire....

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I didn't say that :D

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I didn't say that :D
You inferred it... by comparing them to your lot.. :wink:

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MR T wrote:
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MR T wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
MR T wrote:
I am not suggesting-that anybody has done anything wrong.... I am saying that they have presented their arguments better... and I'm quite sure that that also goes for the wheelchair accessible vehicle manufacturers....

ie.. imagine you have 2000 saloon vehicles on a private hire fleet that does not allow Hackney's... and you wanted to keep it that way... how would you make your drivers purchase wheelchair accessible vehicles....


Why would you want to, the loss of work would be negligible...There'd be no need..the real benefit by not making PH Wav Compliant would surely be that of the Wav owning Hackney operators who afterwards will have a virtual monopoly on all the nations wheelchair users...cant be bad can it ??? :wink:
I think you're looking at it from the driver's point of view... which is quite correct... I think I am guilty of looking at it from the point of view of whether or not it is good legislation.... I think placing the burden entirely on the Hackney Trade and not placing any legislation regarding the private hire sector... is extremely one sided... and let's face it the majority of disabled telephone for their vehicles... I would have thought that the very least the Government's should have done was to make it a condition of the private hire operators Licence.... that they have a facility to provide a wheelchair accessible vehicle if requested.. that could simply mean contracting out to another firm....



Its a hypothetical view so no point in dwelling on it...PH are exempt for whatever reasons and like it or loathe it I cannot see that ruling changing for quite some time to come..

That all said...If I dont have a WAV and my customer requires one then Id do my best to pass them on to someone who does...
You're quite right... no point dwelling on it... especially with the summer coming and all those light nights... plenty to do in the garden ... and always something more to do in the House... I just can't wait to retire....



Sounds idyllic...........but even before retirement beckons im slowly but surely learning that its better to Work to live rather than Live to work...

The goverment can manipulate and interfere as much as they like but Im now of the opinion that they are not worth giving a stuff about....and I delight in the knowledge that they have no control of my freedom to think and form my own opinions on everything and anything I so please... :D
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bloodnock wrote:
MR T wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
MR T wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
MR T wrote:
I am not suggesting-that anybody has done anything wrong.... I am saying that they have presented their arguments better... and I'm quite sure that that also goes for the wheelchair accessible vehicle manufacturers....

ie.. imagine you have 2000 saloon vehicles on a private hire fleet that does not allow Hackney's... and you wanted to keep it that way... how would you make your drivers purchase wheelchair accessible vehicles....


Why would you want to, the loss of work would be negligible...There'd be no need..the real benefit by not making PH Wav Compliant would surely be that of the Wav owning Hackney operators who afterwards will have a virtual monopoly on all the nations wheelchair users...cant be bad can it ??? :wink:
I think you're looking at it from the driver's point of view... which is quite correct... I think I am guilty of looking at it from the point of view of whether or not it is good legislation.... I think placing the burden entirely on the Hackney Trade and not placing any legislation regarding the private hire sector... is extremely one sided... and let's face it the majority of disabled telephone for their vehicles... I would have thought that the very least the Government's should have done was to make it a condition of the private hire operators Licence.... that they have a facility to provide a wheelchair accessible vehicle if requested.. that could simply mean contracting out to another firm....



Its a hypothetical view so no point in dwelling on it...PH are exempt for whatever reasons and like it or loathe it I cannot see that ruling changing for quite some time to come..

That all said...If I dont have a WAV and my customer requires one then Id do my best to pass them on to someone who does...
You're quite right... no point dwelling on it... especially with the summer coming and all those light nights... plenty to do in the garden ... and always something more to do in the House... I just can't wait to retire....



Sounds idyllic...........but even before retirement beckons im slowly but surely learning that its better to Work to live rather than Live to work...

The goverment can manipulate and interfere as much as they like but Im now of the opinion that they are not worth giving a stuff about....and I delight in the knowledge that they have no control of my freedom to think and form my own opinions on everything and anything I so please... :D
I learned that a few years back.... and now I get accused of being a Scouser with an attitude problem..... :lol:

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I didn't say that :D
You inferred it... by comparing them to your lot.. :wink:


Let me see........ one of the companies in Sefton is considerably large so to imply they didn't know what they were doing would be stupid on my part and the only other company I know in Sefton I am always singing their praises when comparing to 'our lot' as you call them. I was merely saying that if they could not convince drivers to purchase WAVs then surely having HCs on the system to cover the WAV work would be an option. I personally don't like HC's on PH systems as you are no doubt aware and 'our lot' used the excuse of needing them to cover the hospital work that required WAVs :D

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you cannot say they do not know what they're doing...


I didn't say that :D
You inferred it... by comparing them to your lot.. :wink:


Let me see........ one of the companies in Sefton is considerably large so to imply they didn't know what they were doing would be stupid on my part and the only other company I know in Sefton I am always singing their praises when comparing to 'our lot' as you call them. I was merely saying that if they could not convince drivers to purchase WAVs then surely having HCs on the system to cover the WAV work would be an option. I personally don't like HC's on PH systems as you are no doubt aware and 'our lot' used the excuse of needing them to cover the hospital work that required WAVs :D
Got yeah :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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