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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:37 pm 
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Frank Lay wrote:
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You have the same amount of cabs, its just that each driver would be doing longer hours, and the owners who dont drive currently will need to come out.
If a motor is single shifted it will be out at all the good times, there will be times when less cabs would be on the road but that would be at the quietest times only.

If most of the cabs are out at the busiest times, then there will be fewer cabs out at the quietest times, which in effect will make the quietest times nearly, if not exactly, as busy as the busy times.

Fewer drivers working means more for those that are.

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Frank Lay wrote:
Nah,

You have the same amount of cabs, its just that each driver would be doing longer hours, and the owners who dont drive currently will need to come out.
If a motor is single shifted it will be out at all the good times, there will be times when less cabs would be on the road but that would be at the quietest times only.

If most of the cabs are out at the busiest times, then there will be fewer cabs out at the quietest times, which in effect will make the quietest times nearly, if not exactly, as busy as the busy times.

Fewer drivers working means more for those that are.


pmsl.....and you believe that?


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I had to google pmsl to see what it meant !

Now I know, I can say so did I!


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If most of the cabs are out at the busiest times, then there will be fewer cabs out at the quietest times, which in effect will make the quietest times nearly, if not exactly, as busy as the busy times.

Fewer drivers working means more for those that are.


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Sussex wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
Nah,

You have the same amount of cabs, its just that each driver would be doing longer hours, and the owners who dont drive currently will need to come out.
If a motor is single shifted it will be out at all the good times, there will be times when less cabs would be on the road but that would be at the quietest times only.

If most of the cabs are out at the busiest times, then there will be fewer cabs out at the quietest times, which in effect will make the quietest times nearly, if not exactly, as busy as the busy times.

Fewer drivers working means more for those that are.


pmsl.....and you believe that?


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So if there are fewer drivers out it means we work longer, does it mean if there are more drivers out we work less? :?

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Yes,

If there are lots of jockeys then an owner could sit on his fat arse in the house.

If there are few jockeys then the same owner would have to get out and put in the hours himself.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Yes,

If there are lots of jockeys then an owner could sit on his fat arse in the house.

If there are few jockeys then the same owner would have to get out and put in the hours himself.

Why do you keep on differentiating between jockies and owners?

A cab driver is a cab driver. :?

And I have never met a cab driver who thinks more drivers is a good thing, and more drivers leads to existing drivers working less. :?

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Being an owner, and being a jockey are two COMPLETELY different things.

I can't believe you even asked for an explaination!


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Interesting. When the number of customers went down due to the reccesion people were saying that drivers were having to work longer hours. Now if the number of drivers goes down which would have the effect of increasing the number of passengers for each remaining driver, we are told that drivers would have to work even longer. So it doesn't matter what happens, drivers will always have to work longer! :?

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Interesting. When the number of customers went down due to the reccesion people were saying that drivers were having to work longer hours. Now if the number of drivers goes down which would have the effect of increasing the number of passengers for each remaining driver, we are told that drivers would have to work even longer. So it doesn't matter what happens, drivers will always have to work longer! :?

I'm glad at least you see the flawed logic expressed by some. ](*,)

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Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Interesting. When the number of customers went down due to the reccesion people were saying that drivers were having to work longer hours. Now if the number of drivers goes down which would have the effect of increasing the number of passengers for each remaining driver, we are told that drivers would have to work even longer. So it doesn't matter what happens, drivers will always have to work longer! :?

I'm glad at least you see the flawed logic expressed by some. ](*,)


I didn't find this one to taxing Sussex, it must be an English thing eh :wink: . The argument was badly flawed. In reality what would probably happen is that the remaining drivers would have less waiting time between jobs so they will be able to earn either the same money in less time or they will work the same time and earn more money. It is very unlikly that all the punters will require a taxi at exactly the same time.

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Trouble is, there is a bit of a shortage of passengers

Lots of people HAVE moved to buses and private hire.

If there was a good supply of willing passengers everyone would be happy.
But there is not.


The quieter it is, the more taxis are out.
Lack of drivers wont have too much effect here, most of the taxis will still be on the road. Either a driver doing longer hours, or an owner who normally does not work having to come out himself.

If you think a lack of full time drivers will make you busier, It wont.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Trouble is, there is a bit of a shortage of passengers

And that's the reason drivers are working longer.

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Frank Lay wrote:
Trouble is, there is a bit of a shortage of passengers

Lots of people HAVE moved to buses and private hire.

If there was a good supply of willing passengers everyone would be happy.
But there is not.


The quieter it is, the more taxis are out.
Lack of drivers wont have too much effect here, most of the taxis will still be on the road. Either a driver doing longer hours, or an owner who normally does not work having to come out himself.

If you think a lack of full time drivers will make you busier, It wont.


Frank, the trade exists to provide a service to the customer. The provision of drivers for owners to drive their taxis is merely incidental. It is far from a right of taxi ownership. Ph, focus on the customer, the majority of taxi owners focus on having a driver, and how much they can charge as a rental to run their taxis. Then it's, how much is my plate worth?


The customer is King, but for the hack owner it's the driver. In an ideal world, the taxi trade would have ranks bursting at the seams, with drivers being charged a fortune to provide a service.

This model of operation can no longer sustain itself in Edinburgh, either through Ph, taking our work, economic recession or de-restriction, and now we have all three in the frame. :shock:

Make a choice, how do you want this to end?

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Gary,

I am no longer concerned about the limit one way or another, Events have caught up with it.

If people are saying this is what it was like last time it was opened up, then what is the limit protecting?

There seems to be not much point in a limit now.
If last time it was opened up it got as low as it could go, and it is the same now, then what exactly is being preotected.

It is only the plate value, that is all.
There would no longer be a rush of people to get taxis, the income is no longer good enough for that.

All that would happen is that current drivers might want to get their own taxi to keep costs down. You CAN run your own taxi for less than a rental!

Last year I would not have said this, but to remove the limit now would not drasticly effect a drivers earnings. The only people being protected now are current owners who want a rental from a driver who cant get his own plate, and worse still those owners who dont want to drive at all.
And judging by the rate jockeys are leaving the trade, they are going to lose that anyway. ME INCLUDED!

It's over ,
There are no reasons for things to improve.


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