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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:31 am 
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It was you that brought up "tins of beans"


But it wasn't me who brought up the issue of restaurant waste. :D

I was just using tins of beans as an example.

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Frank Lay wrote:
If Edinburgh was derestricted, they would not have much choice.

With the extra cars, they would certainly be hanging of the back of ranks.

With the work spread even thinner they would need to get out, no choice there.

Even if you own your own taxi, it does not come for free and there are still bills to pay before you earn anything. But it would take a bit longer to cover those costs with extra cars about.


But if Skull and Jasbar were driving their own cars instead of someone else's then how would this affect rank congestion, the amount of work for each driver, etc??

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You want rid of the cap so that you can get your plate on the cheap.


Well I don't want a plate, but if by on the cheap you mean on the same terms as CEC issued all the other plates then, yes, you're right.

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But, So would everyone else.


Do you mean taxi drivers or Fabio Capello, David Cameron and people like that?

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And then it is no longer something worth having.


Shows what you think of the job Frank, unless the plate's worth something then nothing else matters.

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I bought my plate, I have since sold it on again and got my money back with a wee bit extra.


Bully for you.

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If you want a plate so much, why dont you just do as I did?


And spend my life worrying that it might leave me with a £50k loan and a worthless plate?

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Instead you just rant on about how unfair life is to you.


The difference between my rants and yours is that I want a level playing field, you want featherbedding.

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It is pathetic


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Derestriction would make ranks worse UNLESS all of these happen-

Drivers who recieve a plate work no more hours.
Drivers who recieve a plate do not get drivers.
Owners who lose drivers do not replace them.
No-one new is allowed to enter as an owner.
No-one new is allowed to enter as a driver.

It's a bit unlikely.


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What has Fabio Capello got to do with Edinburgh Taxis?


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Frank Lay wrote:
Derestriction would make ranks worse UNLESS all of these happen-


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Drivers who recieve a plate work no more hours.


They could well work less if they don't have to rent a plate.


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Drivers who recieve a plate do not get drivers.


If they do then they'll be coming fron the existing pool.



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Owners who lose drivers do not replace them.


Again this is just about rearranging the deckchairs - where is this influx of drivers coming from? Nowhere, is the answer.

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No-one new is allowed to enter as an owner.


Well I doubt if there are significant numbers of people who will suddenly get a brief - the vast majority will be existing drivers.

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No-one new is allowed to enter as a driver.


But anyone 'new' can have a badge at the moment and can get a drive, right?

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Frank Lay wrote:
What has Fabio Capello got to do with Edinburgh Taxis?


Didn't you say everyone will get a plate with derestriction? :lol:

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One important difference here, gents.

No council sets a maximum figure for the number of bars, clubs, restaurants etc in their area and refuses applicatations on the grounds that this figure would be exceeded.

Each application for a bar, club etc is considered on it's merits and is granted or refused accordingly.
It could be refused in one location and granted 100 yards down the road.
Neigbouring businesses loosing trade is not really a factor in the decision. That's a commercial matter and not the council's problem

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gusmac wrote:
One important difference here, gents.

No council sets a maximum figure for the number of bars, clubs, restaurants etc in their area and refuses applicatations on the grounds that this figure would be exceeded.

Each application for a bar, club etc is considered on it's merits and is granted or refused accordingly.
It could be refused in one location and granted 100 yards down the road.
Neigbouring businesses loosing trade is not really a factor in the decision. That's a commercial matter and not the council's problem


I've known businesses refused a licence or planning permission bacause there are already like minded businesses within the area and it is felt that they don't need anymore of the same.

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gusmac wrote:
One important difference here, gents.

No council sets a maximum figure for the number of bars, clubs, restaurants etc in their area and refuses applicatations on the grounds that this figure would be exceeded.

Each application for a bar, club etc is considered on it's merits and is granted or refused accordingly.
It could be refused in one location and granted 100 yards down the road.
Neigbouring businesses loosing trade is not really a factor in the decision. That's a commercial matter and not the council's problem



gusmac,

Taxis are MOBILE, so instead of limiting the number in a street you have to limit the number over the whole city.

The public are already complaining about overflowing taxi ranks, and the police have been out booking overhanging cars.
Most people might think that this may be a clue that the amount of taxis needed has been reached.


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This is another of Gusmacs attempts to tell everyone that he is right and other posters are wrong why can he not a least for once see other peoples point of view and admit that what they are saying is reasonable and justified.
On the forum i am constantly proved wrong in my thinking and almost always(almost) wrong on legal issues but it [edited by admin] me of when Gusmac thinks he is right all the time it is so snobish :D


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This is another of Gusmacs attempts to tell everyone that he is right and other posters are wrong why can he not a least for once see other peoples point of view and admit that what they are saying is reasonable and justified.
On the forum i am constantly proved wrong in my thinking and almost always(almost) wrong on legal issues but it [edited by admin] me of when Gusmac thinks he is right all the time it is so snobish :D

Some posters need a CUFTNU!!

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:? :? :? :D

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Frank Lay wrote:
You want rid of the cap so that you can get your plate on the cheap.


Well I don't want a plate, but if by on the cheap you mean on the same terms as CEC issued all the other plates then, yes, you're right. (So you dont want one, but you might want one on the cheap)

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But, So would everyone else.


Do you mean taxi drivers or Fabio Capello, David Cameron and people like that? (There was a guy from Hampshire applied for one recently, So why not?)

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And then it is no longer something worth having.


Shows what you think of the job Frank, unless the plate's worth something then nothing else matters. (I think the job is stuffed, thats why I am leaving in 8 weeks)

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I bought my plate, I have since sold it on again and got my money back with a wee bit extra.


Bully for you. (Anyone can do that, but some just like to moan)

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If you want a plate so much, why dont you just do as I did?


And spend my life worrying that it might leave me with a £50k loan and a worthless plate? (You can pay of a plate quicker than you think, I was never worried)

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Instead you just rant on about how unfair life is to you.


The difference between my rants and yours is that I want a level playing field, you want featherbedding. (No, you want things to suit you personally),

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It is pathetic


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Frank Lay wrote:
Derestriction would make ranks worse UNLESS all of these happen-


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Drivers who recieve a plate work no more hours.


They could well work less if they don't have to rent a plate. (If they go to the trouble of getting their own taxi, they will want to earn more and working less hours wont achieve that)


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Drivers who recieve a plate do not get drivers.


If they do then they'll be coming fron the existing pool. (And anyone else who might fancy it, I suspect quite a few guys from ecph might make more of an effort)



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Owners who lose drivers do not replace them.


Again this is just about rearranging the deckchairs - where is this influx of drivers coming from? Nowhere, is the answer. (Do you really think we are living in a country with full employment?)

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No-one new is allowed to enter as an owner.


Well I doubt if there are significant numbers of people who will suddenly get a brief - the vast majority will be existing drivers. (Some will be and some will be new)

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No-one new is allowed to enter as a driver.


But anyone 'new' can have a badge at the moment and can get a drive, right? (But in the derestricted land at the end of the rainbow, It will surely be more attractive to enter the trade)


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