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Tony... being a trade representative is normally by choice... it is a difficult job at the best of times, the longer you do it the more experienced you become... licensing officers and council officials will try to use their council system against you... (you being the novice).
part of what they will do is distract you and make you waste time, and even manoeuvre you into a conflict with councillors..... ignore them... focus on what you have to do... always be polite and professional... beat them at their own game.... and as for being called in.. I personally would take that as a complement...... knowing that my presence was being felt.... and leave it at that for now.... my advice to you is to contact the Councillors that sit on the Licensing Committee, your members the people that you represent will have Councillors representing them... some of them will be on Licensing Committee and by making appointments to see them through your members changes might be made.

Remember people working for the council can always be sacked. :wink:


PS..... Sefton has four full-time enforcement officers that work days and nights, and will be employing two more that will enable a full 24 hour coverage... it is also feasible to employ part-time enforcement officers at the time required


Bollocks!

ALL councillors are scumbags. End of.

Anyone pushing themselves for election as a councillor should be barred from ever becoming one.

Here in Edinburgh we had a 23 year old female wanting to become a councillor in my ward. Dearie me.

Now if any councillor here in Edinburgh takes offence at me calling them a scumbag then let them take the matter further.

I will be happy to demonstrate how this is true.

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A little man with a big mouth... at least you have some use... even if that use is to show people what not to be ..... the trade needs to win battles... not lose them.... :roll:


Trevor, the only person you have ever truly represented is you. The council use guys like you to keep the herd under control by throwing you scraps from the master's table. You in turn pat yourself on the back while telling everyone about the great job you are doing on their behalf. This is nothing new. We have the same kind of so called “trade representation” up here in Edinburgh, and it has failed us at almost every opportunity.

In short Trevor, self interest and vested interest are all about banging the same drum while the vast majority props up the minority illusion of grandeur.

Until such time as cabbies have the intelligence to demand their own status by right, guys like you will always feed off their backs.

Oh and Trevor, please spare me your "for the good of the trade" speech. :roll:

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Skull... no illusions of grandeur... just spent too many years watching people like yourself and the mufti. trying to represent the trade... and getting shafted because they did not know what they were doing..... learn the rules that they play by.... and then use them back on themselves.....ps... I was at a meeting today.. regarding the Equality Bill.... which will criminalise any driver that falls foul of it.... considering I do not drive it makes you wonder why I went........ I also used that very excellent report from Edinburgh University that you made available.... I think some people on here would find it very useful in the near future.... you might think of puting it back up.... :shock: pps... while we were there. we also through reasoned argument got the licensing team to agreed to a format as to when section 52 would be used ... :wink:

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Skull... no illusions of grandeur... just spent too many years watching people like yourself and the mufti. trying to represent the trade... and getting shafted because they did not know what they were doing..... learn the rules that they play by.... and then use them back on themselves.....ps... I was at a meeting today.. regarding the Equality Bill.... which will criminalise any driver that falls foul of it.... considering I do not drive it makes you wonder why I went........ I also used that very excellent report from Edinburgh University that you made available.... I think some people on here would find it very useful in the near future.... you might think of puting it back up.... :shock: pps... while we were there. we also through reasoned argument got the licensing team to agreed to a format as to when section 52 would be used ... :wink:



Trevor, the trade has no powers of negotiation simply because there is no War chest stuffed cash that guarantees 24/7 legal representation. If you can't hurt them why should they listen, Councils' need only pay the trade lip service.

So called “Trade Representation” is little more than vested interests with big egos pretending to be important.

In de-restricted areas, you actually have greater powers of negotiation through the prospect of direct action. In places like Edinburgh, where artificial plate values exist, there is no chance of any kind of action whatsoever. All the trade does is beg. :-|

Oh and btw Trevor, you just agreed a format for the use of section 52, when it should have been legally shackled. :-| It should be for the courts to decide, how a council should act.

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Skull... no illusions of grandeur... just spent too many years watching people like yourself and the mufti. trying to represent the trade... and getting shafted because they did not know what they were doing..... learn the rules that they play by.... and then use them back on themselves.....ps... I was at a meeting today.. regarding the Equality Bill.... which will criminalise any driver that falls foul of it.... considering I do not drive it makes you wonder why I went........ I also used that very excellent report from Edinburgh University that you made available.... I think some people on here would find it very useful in the near future.... you might think of puting it back up.... :shock: pps... while we were there. we also through reasoned argument got the licensing team to agreed to a format as to when section 52 would be used ... :wink:



Trevor, the trade has no powers of negotiation simply because there is no War chest stuffed cash that guarantees 24/7 legal representation. If you can't hurt them why should they listen, Councils' need only pay the trade lip service.

So called “Trade Representation” is little more than vested interests with big egos pretending to be important.

In de-restricted areas, you actually have greater powers of negotiation through the prospect of direct action. In places like Edinburgh, where artificial plate values exist, there is no chance of any kind of action whatsoever. All the trade does is beg. :-|

Oh and btw Trevor, you just agreed a format for the use of section 52, when it should have been legally shackled. :-| It should be for the courts to decide, how a council should act.


Yes, alternatively, f**k off you gay [edited by admin], may take offence, nowt intended mind. :wink:

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Skull... no illusions of grandeur... just spent too many years watching people like yourself and the mufti. trying to represent the trade... and getting shafted because they did not know what they were doing..... learn the rules that they play by.... and then use them back on themselves.....ps... I was at a meeting today.. regarding the Equality Bill.... which will criminalise any driver that falls foul of it.... considering I do not drive it makes you wonder why I went........ I also used that very excellent report from Edinburgh University that you made available.... I think some people on here would find it very useful in the near future.... you might think of puting it back up.... :shock: pps... while we were there. we also through reasoned argument got the licensing team to agreed to a format as to when section 52 would be used ... :wink:



Trevor, the trade has no powers of negotiation simply because there is no War chest stuffed cash that guarantees 24/7 legal representation. If you can't hurt them why should they listen, Councils' need only pay the trade lip service.

So called “Trade Representation” is little more than vested interests with big egos pretending to be important.

In de-restricted areas, you actually have greater powers of negotiation through the prospect of direct action. In places like Edinburgh, where artificial plate values exist, there is no chance of any kind of action whatsoever. All the trade does is beg. :-|

Oh and btw Trevor, you just agreed a format for the use of section 52, when it should have been legally shackled. :-| It should be for the courts to decide, how a council should act.


Yes, alternatively, f**k off you gay [edited by admin], may take offence, nowt intended mind. :wink:

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Yes, alternatively, f**k off you gay [edited by admin], may take offence, nowt intended mind. :wink:

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:? :? :? :?[/quote]

aww your puzzled....shall I explain rather slowly ?

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Yes, alternatively, f**k off you gay [edited by admin], may take offence, nowt intended mind. :wink:

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:? :? :? :?


aww your puzzled....shall I explain rather slowly ?

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You're right, I am puzzled please explain rather slowly.

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You're right, I am puzzled please explain rather slowly.


Its rather simplistic, but your answer is total sh*te.

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You're right, I am puzzled please explain rather slowly.


Its rather simplistic, but your answer is total sh*te.

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Don't tell me you feel offended by me telling the truth about so called “Trade Representatives”. Their big egos and what they don't actually achieve?

I wouldn't worry too much Wayne, in my experience idiots believe what they want and there are plenty of them around to support guys like you.

I could claim that people with even half a brain could see through the likes of you and your pretendy wee organisation. Then again, this statement doesn't say much for the taxi trade, but it is the truth.

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I just think he thought your answer was shi*e..... do you still have a copy of that report :wink:

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through reasoned argument got the licensing team to agreed to a format as to when section 52 would be used ... :wink:


Mr T, can say that you have gone THE RIGHT WAY on this. I take it that you support the correct use of Section 52.

Can you put up the format that has been agreed?

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I just think he thought your answer was shi*e..... do you still have a copy of that report :wink:



I've got to say, I like the part where Trevor claims to have, “through reasoned argument got the licensing team to agree to a format as to when section 52 would be used”.

So let me get this right, legally, the council is not in the position to abuse their powers without first consulting the agreed format, as to what level of abuse is acceptable. :? I'm assuming this is what the agreement means in real terms.

Can you remember the name of the Report, I think Jim has it?

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through reasoned argument got the licensing team to agreed to a format as to when section 52 would be used ... :wink:


Mr T, can say that you have gone THE RIGHT WAY on this. I take it that you support the correct use of Section 52.

Can you put up the format that has been agreed?


Chris, you don't even know the format agreed to by Trevor and his bum chums, but you already agree they "have gone THE RIGHT WAY on this" without even knowing what they have agreed to, but now you would like to have a look at it.

Thick as feck. :roll:

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Fact.... the law was changed to give councils the power to immediately suspend a driver's licence.
Fact.... licensing officers are abusing that power.
Fact.... a driver is innocent until proven guilty.
Fact.... the court has the power to grant bail or not.
Fact... I haven't got a chance in hell of changing the law of the land.
Fact.... I do support it's correct use.... and no drivers will be suspended for over ranking
I did not say I got the Licensing Team to agree.. I said we... the we being all the trade reps hackney and private hire, fleet owners and drivers..

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Chris, you don't even know the format agreed to by Trevor and his bum chums, but you already agree they "have gone THE RIGHT WAY on this" without even knowing what they have agreed to, but now you would like to have a look at it.

Thick as feck. :roll:

a. To get any agreement with the LA on use of Section 52 is a step forward and so I applaud.

b. I would like to see it because if it is a good agreement, that both sides can live with, it may well be a model for agreements in other Manors.

Thick as feck? - No not really, in this democracy I have the right to disagree with you on any subject. Because my opinion differs from yours, it does not reflect on my intelligence or lack thereof. Resorting to personal insults does however, have the immediate effect of reducing the power of your argument.

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