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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:19 pm 
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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
Private Hire:-
Ops Licence
Vehicle Licence+Plate
Driver Licence+Badge (dual PH/HC here)

Hack
Vehicle Licence+Plate
Driver Licence+Badge (dual PH/HC here)


Your point being???


just saying what our beloved LA generate


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Maybe things are different in your country. Down here you do not need a licence to be the owner of a hackney carriage or to run a hackney carriage business. We have no such thing as a proprietors licence. There are no checks done on the owner of a vehicle. There are checks done on the drivers of the vehicles.
You do need an operators license for private hire and checks are made on the proprietor of a private hire company.

"So ignoring the minutiae of this particular case, you are saying that a drug delaer et all should be allowed to plate a vehicle as long as they don't drive it?"

I didn't say that at all. That is your assumption. It is not for me to make the laws. It is the law that allows it to happen.

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You do need an operators license for private hire and checks are made on the proprietor of a private hire company.



yeah but....

they are really only to restrict how many vehicles can operate from the address, in my case (from home) just two at the most, not to see if im a mass murderer


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grandad wrote:
Maybe things are different in your country. Down here you do not need a licence to be the owner of a hackney carriage or to run a hackney carriage business. We have no such thing as a proprietors licence. There are no checks done on the owner of a vehicle. There are checks done on the drivers of the vehicles.


Eh?

So how did Carlisle manage to take away his vehicle licence, and why did the magistrates agree?

Are you saying that the law says that if Derrick Bird had survived then he could have remained the owner of a taxi as long as he didn't drive it?

So when Brummie - who is usually quite switched on - said the following he was wrong?

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The point is that he was found not to be a 'fit and proper' person to hold a licence.

You need to be 'fit and proper' to hold a hackney carriage proprietor licence and a hackney carriage driver licence.

It is about the person as a whole that the 'fit and proper' relates to not which licences it relates to.

Therefore, the 'fit and proper person' must and does relate to both licences.




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"So ignoring the minutiae of this particular case, you are saying that a drug delaer et all should be allowed to plate a vehicle as long as they don't drive it?"

I didn't say that at all. That is your assumption. It is not for me to make the laws. It is the law that allows it to happen


Well even assuming that your interpretation of the law is correct, you're surely allowed to express an opinion on whether you think it's a good law or not?

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wannabeeahack wrote:
they are really only to restrict how many vehicles can operate from the address, in my case (from home) just two at the most, not to see if im a mass murderer


You sure about that?

The reason a third-licensing tier was introduced in Scotland was to ensure that drug dealers and money launderers couldn't run taxi and PH booking operations (roughly equivalent to a PH operator's licence in England) so are you saying that drug dealers and money launderers could obtain a PH operator's licence in England?

Incidentally, I don't see why drug dealers and money launderers couldn't run HC despatch operations in England, and it was this gap in the law that the Scottish reform was intended to address.

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
Are you saying that the law says that if Derrick Bird had survived then he could have remained the owner of a taxi as long as he didn't drive it?



I am not saying that I agree with the law but, at the moment, in England you do not need a licence to own a hackney carriage.
You only need a licence to drive one.

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
they are really only to restrict how many vehicles can operate from the address, in my case (from home) just two at the most, not to see if im a mass murderer


You sure about that?

The reason a third-licensing tier was introduced in Scotland was to ensure that drug dealers and money launderers couldn't run taxi and PH booking operations (roughly equivalent to a PH operator's licence in England) so are you saying that drug dealers and money launderers could obtain a PH operator's licence in England?

Incidentally, I don't see why drug dealers and money launderers couldn't run HC despatch operations in England, and it was this gap in the law that the Scottish reform was intended to address.



im never sure about anything (hang on, is it daytime, let me look outside)

but our LO said id need planning permission to have 3 vehicles on my ops licence, cos of "nuisance" he reckons, and i thought he didnt know me!

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wannabeeahack wrote:
but our LO said id need planning permission to have 3 vehicles on my ops licence, cos of "nuisance" he reckons, and i thought he didnt know me!


But that hardly means they wouldn't object if you were a mass murderer.

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grandad wrote:
I am not saying that I agree with the law but, at the moment, in England you do not need a licence to own a hackney carriage.
You only need a licence to drive one.


Eh?

Well looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this, but I note that you didn't answer the specific questions I posed :wink:

And I'm surprised the big hitters on here don't have an opinion on this matter, which I would have thought was a pretty straightforward issue, either way.

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The council has revoked his license and two courts have backed them up.

Seems the council were right and Mr Shed doesn't deserve to keep his license.

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