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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:26 am 
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grandad:

Is their Total Weekly Remuneration below the Minimum Wage or, is it just that the Hourly Pay Rate, provided by their employer, is below the Minimum Wage?

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why not just say you have no answer to the question


Perhaps he doesn't understand the question or his views are blinkered because he believes the only restriction within the trade is caused by the restriction of licenses


It's of no surprise to me. You don't understand that drivers do not place restrictions on themselves to deny themselves access to the tools of their trade. It's people like you who do that. #-o


You still didn't understand MrTs question, aww bless :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
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Mr. T's, incredibly stupid question:

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Let's just say, you have a driver that is being restricted from the tools of his trade by the simple fact that he has no money, do you think he should simply go away.


One of my replies, explaining how stupid his question is:

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Trevor, a driver isn't being "restricted from the tools of his trade by the simple fact that he has no money." Having no money is not a restriction imposed on him by a third party, he is simply skint.


Drivers do not impose restrictions on themselves, financial or otherwise, with the purpose of denying themselves access to the tools of their trade.


Mr. T, and Toots seem to have a real problem understanding the above answer to his question. Perhaps they were separated at birth or being incredibly stupid just comes natural. Toots, is not too bright, it has to be said but Trevor, is one of your trade representatives, and that's frightening.

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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
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wee eddie wrote:
grandad:

Is their Total Weekly Remuneration below the Minimum Wage or, is it just that the Hourly Pay Rate, provided by their employer, is below the Minimum Wage?


The company sees them as self employed and their total pay after paying their "expenses" when divided by the hours that they have worked comes to less than the minimum wage.

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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
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grandad wrote:
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Is their Total Weekly Remuneration below the Minimum Wage or, is it just that the Hourly Pay Rate, provided by their employer, is below the Minimum Wage?


The company sees them as self employed and their total pay after paying their "expenses" when divided by the hours that they have worked comes to less than the minimum wage.


Many put up with this because the state tops up their low wages.
Effectively propping up taxi owners. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:58 pm 
This is how it works

You can own your own cab, but only in a dereg area if you are prepared to stump up a lot of money in start up costs.

In other area's nobody stops anyone getting a PH plate, so this hard done by thing doesn't really wash, if you want to be an OD you can in one shape or form anyway.

An owner is subject to the costs, typical saloon ones are

£70 pw car loan
£30 pw Insurance
£20 pw repairs
£130 pw radio charges

A grand total before tax of £250pw, these are conservative figures btw, other fomula's would see this increase to £350 pw for a WAV owner who doesn't have a lot of NCB

So, how much is a fair amount for a driver to pay to be able to have the right to walk off at any time uncommitted ?

How much would you want to let someone who might wreck your car and insurance policy ?

This whole issue to me is like the pub smoking ban, beforehand there were loads of folk who were now going to go to the pub now it's smoke free, well! where are you, pubs are shutting by the minute, you said you'd replace the smoker and you've lied, you had no desire to go to the pub because pub ppl go to the pub and others simply don't, so the meddlers have now cost jobs,taxation,society and a way of life, nice work eh.

As an older man I've watched the changes, I watch new rules being brought in and most of the time they ruin things, who really wants or needs to be interrogated so they can buy a drink in a bar when the steward can see they are over 18, playing around with things that just worked anyway to justify a job title, my city has been ruined by one police officer, he knew that making everyone drink in the same place week in week out was a good idea and he pushed it through, what has no happened is there is no escape from trouble and lots more of it, the feral have taken over and nice folk don't bother anymore, where is he now, keeping quiet in a corner out of the way, and his real motive was because he didn't fancy doing what police officers are employed to do, wanted it nice and easy and thought it would be nice to stroll round the corner and arrest whoever the doormen had already restrained for him, then go back to stuffing a kebab down his throat in peace and quiet, he was told by taxi driver,traders and licensees that it was flawed and had failed elsewhere it had been deployed, but oh no he knew best, after all he was the law.

Bottom line is, quality should always come before quantity, quantity always means surplus and surplus means lack of quality, quite a simple equation really, but still even in the deepest of deep recessions some are still playing the human rights bill to try and get in on the cheap, I want to exit the cab game myself, it's ruined, I fancy some HGV 1 but it's going to cost me £2500 to get the licenses, is anyone going to listen to me when I bang the door and say hey gimme training and a license for free, no they aren't, I'm going to have to stump up and gamble I can pass the test and then I will have to go drive for someone that doesn't pay that well to get experience, there's no brand new Volvo tractor waiting for me, no employer saying to me here have this one because it's not right you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, and right now anyone who wants a HC plate even for free is some sort of mug, to have to invest in a car and all the other stuff that goes with it to see one £4 job per hour, you gotta be mad, I know the best days are behind me now, the face of taxing has been beaten to a pulp by bad management, unsuitable entry and general lack of care for anything other than themselves, the first step on the road to recovery is one man one plate, that is one issue I will agree with with Skull, this owning more licenses than you can physically drive yourself has to stop, and here that problem is a PH problem with 600 cars owned by 7 people.


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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:51 pm 
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This is how it works

You can own your own cab, but only in a dereg area if you are prepared to stump up a lot of money in start up costs.

In other area's nobody stops anyone getting a PH plate, so this hard done by thing doesn't really wash, if you want to be an OD you can in one shape or form anyway.

An owner is subject to the costs, typical saloon ones are

£70 pw car loan
£30 pw Insurance
£20 pw repairs
£130 pw radio charges

A grand total before tax of £250pw, these are conservative figures btw, other fomula's would see this increase to £350 pw for a WAV owner who doesn't have a lot of NCB

So, how much is a fair amount for a driver to pay to be able to have the right to walk off at any time uncommitted ?

How much would you want to let someone who might wreck your car and insurance policy ?

This whole issue to me is like the pub smoking ban, beforehand there were loads of folk who were now going to go to the pub now it's smoke free, well! where are you, pubs are shutting by the minute, you said you'd replace the smoker and you've lied, you had no desire to go to the pub because pub ppl go to the pub and others simply don't, so the meddlers have now cost jobs,taxation,society and a way of life, nice work eh.

As an older man I've watched the changes, I watch new rules being brought in and most of the time they ruin things, who really wants or needs to be interrogated so they can buy a drink in a bar when the steward can see they are over 18, playing around with things that just worked anyway to justify a job title, my city has been ruined by one police officer, he knew that making everyone drink in the same place week in week out was a good idea and he pushed it through, what has no happened is there is no escape from trouble and lots more of it, the feral have taken over and nice folk don't bother anymore, where is he now, keeping quiet in a corner out of the way, and his real motive was because he didn't fancy doing what police officers are employed to do, wanted it nice and easy and thought it would be nice to stroll round the corner and arrest whoever the doormen had already restrained for him, then go back to stuffing a kebab down his throat in peace and quiet, he was told by taxi driver,traders and licensees that it was flawed and had failed elsewhere it had been deployed, but oh no he knew best, after all he was the law.

Bottom line is, quality should always come before quantity, quantity always means surplus and surplus means lack of quality, quite a simple equation really, but still even in the deepest of deep recessions some are still playing the human rights bill to try and get in on the cheap, I want to exit the cab game myself, it's ruined, I fancy some HGV 1 but it's going to cost me £2500 to get the licenses, is anyone going to listen to me when I bang the door and say hey gimme training and a license for free, no they aren't, I'm going to have to stump up and gamble I can pass the test and then I will have to go drive for someone that doesn't pay that well to get experience, there's no brand new Volvo tractor waiting for me, no employer saying to me here have this one because it's not right you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, and right now anyone who wants a HC plate even for free is some sort of mug, to have to invest in a car and all the other stuff that goes with it to see one £4 job per hour, you gotta be mad, I know the best days are behind me now, the face of taxing has been beaten to a pulp by bad management, unsuitable entry and general lack of care for anything other than themselves, the first step on the road to recovery is one man one plate, that is one issue I will agree with with Skull, this owning more licenses than you can physically drive yourself has to stop, and here that problem is a PH problem with 600 cars owned by 7 people.

Well said =D>

Picking up on the one man one plate, i couldn't agree more but we still have to have a restricted amount of licences, as you indicate an over supply decreases standards and dillutes income even more.

What Skull is about and i have never seen him promote the one man one plate point you make (he worked for a multi plate holder), is de-restriction a free for all, access to corporate proffiters who would snap up multi plates by the dozen, breaching our black cab trade for the sole purpose of truely enslaving all who can't manage or run there own cab, this as you pointed out goes on in the phc market now,a de-restricted market, the result Skull has given up his life and job for :?

What we need is an alternative to the status quo that Tightens the grip and only through regulation can we save what we have in Edinburgh, other area's are different but the way our trade works in Edinburgh needs protection from nutters who are hell bent on destroying a trade that is 90% individually owned, the phc market is now 90% corporate, now well out of the individuals control,This is the game that Skull and Taylor are playing.

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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:06 pm 
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Doom wrote:
This is how it works

You can own your own cab, but only in a dereg area if you are prepared to stump up a lot of money in start up costs.

In other area's nobody stops anyone getting a PH plate, so this hard done by thing doesn't really wash, if you want to be an OD you can in one shape or form anyway.

An owner is subject to the costs, typical saloon ones are

£70 pw car loan
£30 pw Insurance
£20 pw repairs
£130 pw radio charges

A grand total before tax of £250pw, these are conservative figures btw, other fomula's would see this increase to £350 pw for a WAV owner who doesn't have a lot of NCB

So, how much is a fair amount for a driver to pay to be able to have the right to walk off at any time uncommitted ?

How much would you want to let someone who might wreck your car and insurance policy ?

This whole issue to me is like the pub smoking ban, beforehand there were loads of folk who were now going to go to the pub now it's smoke free, well! where are you, pubs are shutting by the minute, you said you'd replace the smoker and you've lied, you had no desire to go to the pub because pub ppl go to the pub and others simply don't, so the meddlers have now cost jobs,taxation,society and a way of life, nice work eh.

As an older man I've watched the changes, I watch new rules being brought in and most of the time they ruin things, who really wants or needs to be interrogated so they can buy a drink in a bar when the steward can see they are over 18, playing around with things that just worked anyway to justify a job title, my city has been ruined by one police officer, he knew that making everyone drink in the same place week in week out was a good idea and he pushed it through, what has no happened is there is no escape from trouble and lots more of it, the feral have taken over and nice folk don't bother anymore, where is he now, keeping quiet in a corner out of the way, and his real motive was because he didn't fancy doing what police officers are employed to do, wanted it nice and easy and thought it would be nice to stroll round the corner and arrest whoever the doormen had already restrained for him, then go back to stuffing a kebab down his throat in peace and quiet, he was told by taxi driver,traders and licensees that it was flawed and had failed elsewhere it had been deployed, but oh no he knew best, after all he was the law.

Bottom line is, quality should always come before quantity, quantity always means surplus and surplus means lack of quality, quite a simple equation really, but still even in the deepest of deep recessions some are still playing the human rights bill to try and get in on the cheap, I want to exit the cab game myself, it's ruined, I fancy some HGV 1 but it's going to cost me £2500 to get the licenses, is anyone going to listen to me when I bang the door and say hey gimme training and a license for free, no they aren't, I'm going to have to stump up and gamble I can pass the test and then I will have to go drive for someone that doesn't pay that well to get experience, there's no brand new Volvo tractor waiting for me, no employer saying to me here have this one because it's not right you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, and right now anyone who wants a HC plate even for free is some sort of mug, to have to invest in a car and all the other stuff that goes with it to see one £4 job per hour, you gotta be mad, I know the best days are behind me now, the face of taxing has been beaten to a pulp by bad management, unsuitable entry and general lack of care for anything other than themselves, the first step on the road to recovery is one man one plate, that is one issue I will agree with with Skull, this owning more licenses than you can physically drive yourself has to stop, and here that problem is a PH problem with 600 cars owned by 7 people.


What a complete load of [edited by admin]* :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: You know. It's actually hard to believe that you believe, what you have written. How did you come up with the above? It's absolute nonsense but it does show the intellectual level of your average cabby. #-o


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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:39 pm 
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Skull wrote:
Doom wrote:
This is how it works

You can own your own cab, but only in a dereg area if you are prepared to stump up a lot of money in start up costs.

In other area's nobody stops anyone getting a PH plate, so this hard done by thing doesn't really wash, if you want to be an OD you can in one shape or form anyway.

An owner is subject to the costs, typical saloon ones are

£70 pw car loan
£30 pw Insurance
£20 pw repairs
£130 pw radio charges

A grand total before tax of £250pw, these are conservative figures btw, other fomula's would see this increase to £350 pw for a WAV owner who doesn't have a lot of NCB

So, how much is a fair amount for a driver to pay to be able to have the right to walk off at any time uncommitted ?

How much would you want to let someone who might wreck your car and insurance policy ?

This whole issue to me is like the pub smoking ban, beforehand there were loads of folk who were now going to go to the pub now it's smoke free, well! where are you, pubs are shutting by the minute, you said you'd replace the smoker and you've lied, you had no desire to go to the pub because pub ppl go to the pub and others simply don't, so the meddlers have now cost jobs,taxation,society and a way of life, nice work eh.

As an older man I've watched the changes, I watch new rules being brought in and most of the time they ruin things, who really wants or needs to be interrogated so they can buy a drink in a bar when the steward can see they are over 18, playing around with things that just worked anyway to justify a job title, my city has been ruined by one police officer, he knew that making everyone drink in the same place week in week out was a good idea and he pushed it through, what has no happened is there is no escape from trouble and lots more of it, the feral have taken over and nice folk don't bother anymore, where is he now, keeping quiet in a corner out of the way, and his real motive was because he didn't fancy doing what police officers are employed to do, wanted it nice and easy and thought it would be nice to stroll round the corner and arrest whoever the doormen had already restrained for him, then go back to stuffing a kebab down his throat in peace and quiet, he was told by taxi driver,traders and licensees that it was flawed and had failed elsewhere it had been deployed, but oh no he knew best, after all he was the law.

Bottom line is, quality should always come before quantity, quantity always means surplus and surplus means lack of quality, quite a simple equation really, but still even in the deepest of deep recessions some are still playing the human rights bill to try and get in on the cheap, I want to exit the cab game myself, it's ruined, I fancy some HGV 1 but it's going to cost me £2500 to get the licenses, is anyone going to listen to me when I bang the door and say hey gimme training and a license for free, no they aren't, I'm going to have to stump up and gamble I can pass the test and then I will have to go drive for someone that doesn't pay that well to get experience, there's no brand new Volvo tractor waiting for me, no employer saying to me here have this one because it's not right you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, and right now anyone who wants a HC plate even for free is some sort of mug, to have to invest in a car and all the other stuff that goes with it to see one £4 job per hour, you gotta be mad, I know the best days are behind me now, the face of taxing has been beaten to a pulp by bad management, unsuitable entry and general lack of care for anything other than themselves, the first step on the road to recovery is one man one plate, that is one issue I will agree with with Skull, this owning more licenses than you can physically drive yourself has to stop, and here that problem is a PH problem with 600 cars owned by 7 people.


What a complete load of [edited by admin]* :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: You know. It's actually hard to believe that you believe, what you have written. How did you come up with the above? It's absolute nonsense but it does show the intellectual level of your average cabby. #-o

Typical response from you Skull, the trouble is you really do believe you are superior :roll:



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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:03 pm 
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Dougie, I know I'm superior, and if you need proof, you only need read the inane drivel on this forum. :-|


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:28 pm 
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my costs are considerably lower than what you quoted doom
in fact i ran 2 hacks for less

insurance per cab per week £18.26
repairs including tyres £20.00 approx
licensing £5.1 pw
road tax £3.50pw

radio dues none
finance none

and remember the taxi advertising is paying for the insurance
so you can basically run a motor for around £30 pw plus fuel of course :wink:

you can also run one for £400 pw but why you would want to is beyond me :-k


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Ali the quality of the Taxi's you operate are a drop in the standard the customers in Edinburgh are accustomed too :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are the prime example of why de-restriction would be a disaster in Edinburgh, if it was a free for all as in de-restriction, there would be much less money to invest in New Taxi's etc, the Second, second hand market in T reggies would be huge :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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same standard as yours,only not so anal.

everyone wants the tx1 Dougie,an awful lot of guys have got back to them because there better than whats available new,shiny new seats doesn't do it for me,reliability and costs is what its about

my motor just past its test Dougie all it needed was door switches and emissions tuned as i had turned the pump up and forgotten to turn it down.
despite the paintwork being far from perfect,they explained that because of the amount of work done on the motor that they would let it go,mechanically it was perfect,test work costs under £300 and £280 of that was 4 new tyres.
how much did you spend Dougie and how big was your fail sheet.
i heard your repairs this year exceeded £5k are you sure you know what your doing.

anyway wheres the document
if you want us to debate at least let us have site of what we are debating on,you never know i may agree with some of it :roll:


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ALI T wrote:
same standard as yours,only not so anal.

everyone wants the tx1 Dougie,an awful lot of guys have got back to them because there better than whats available new,shiny new seats doesn't do it for me,reliability and costs is what its about

my motor just past its test Dougie all it needed was door switches and emissions tuned as i had turned the pump up and forgotten to turn it down.
despite the paintwork being far from perfect,they explained that because of the amount of work done on the motor that they would let it go,mechanically it was perfect,test work costs under £300 and £280 of that was 4 new tyres.
how much did you spend Dougie and how big was your fail sheet.
i heard your repairs this year exceeded £5k are you sure you know what your doing.

anyway wheres the document
if you want us to debate at least let us have site of what we are debating on,you never know i may agree with some of it :roll:

£700 and sniff passed first time for the 7th year in a row, my cab is an 03, 267,000 miles on the clock , single shifted, bought brand new, not the youngest but not the oldest either, yours are a R reg and a T :lol: :lol: :lol: But your right Ali it still passed it's test :roll: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Chattel Slavery
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Skull wrote:
Doom wrote:
This is how it works

You can own your own cab, but only in a dereg area if you are prepared to stump up a lot of money in start up costs.

In other area's nobody stops anyone getting a PH plate, so this hard done by thing doesn't really wash, if you want to be an OD you can in one shape or form anyway.

An owner is subject to the costs, typical saloon ones are

£70 pw car loan
£30 pw Insurance
£20 pw repairs
£130 pw radio charges

A grand total before tax of £250pw, these are conservative figures btw, other fomula's would see this increase to £350 pw for a WAV owner who doesn't have a lot of NCB

So, how much is a fair amount for a driver to pay to be able to have the right to walk off at any time uncommitted ?

How much would you want to let someone who might wreck your car and insurance policy ?

This whole issue to me is like the pub smoking ban, beforehand there were loads of folk who were now going to go to the pub now it's smoke free, well! where are you, pubs are shutting by the minute, you said you'd replace the smoker and you've lied, you had no desire to go to the pub because pub ppl go to the pub and others simply don't, so the meddlers have now cost jobs,taxation,society and a way of life, nice work eh.

As an older man I've watched the changes, I watch new rules being brought in and most of the time they ruin things, who really wants or needs to be interrogated so they can buy a drink in a bar when the steward can see they are over 18, playing around with things that just worked anyway to justify a job title, my city has been ruined by one police officer, he knew that making everyone drink in the same place week in week out was a good idea and he pushed it through, what has no happened is there is no escape from trouble and lots more of it, the feral have taken over and nice folk don't bother anymore, where is he now, keeping quiet in a corner out of the way, and his real motive was because he didn't fancy doing what police officers are employed to do, wanted it nice and easy and thought it would be nice to stroll round the corner and arrest whoever the doormen had already restrained for him, then go back to stuffing a kebab down his throat in peace and quiet, he was told by taxi driver,traders and licensees that it was flawed and had failed elsewhere it had been deployed, but oh no he knew best, after all he was the law.

Bottom line is, quality should always come before quantity, quantity always means surplus and surplus means lack of quality, quite a simple equation really, but still even in the deepest of deep recessions some are still playing the human rights bill to try and get in on the cheap, I want to exit the cab game myself, it's ruined, I fancy some HGV 1 but it's going to cost me £2500 to get the licenses, is anyone going to listen to me when I bang the door and say hey gimme training and a license for free, no they aren't, I'm going to have to stump up and gamble I can pass the test and then I will have to go drive for someone that doesn't pay that well to get experience, there's no brand new Volvo tractor waiting for me, no employer saying to me here have this one because it's not right you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, and right now anyone who wants a HC plate even for free is some sort of mug, to have to invest in a car and all the other stuff that goes with it to see one £4 job per hour, you gotta be mad, I know the best days are behind me now, the face of taxing has been beaten to a pulp by bad management, unsuitable entry and general lack of care for anything other than themselves, the first step on the road to recovery is one man one plate, that is one issue I will agree with with Skull, this owning more licenses than you can physically drive yourself has to stop, and here that problem is a PH problem with 600 cars owned by 7 people.


What a complete load of [edited by admin]* :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: You know. It's actually hard to believe that you believe, what you have written. How did you come up with the above? It's absolute nonsense but it does show the intellectual level of your average cabby. #-o




Let me show you how smart I really am James, if I switch into Skull mode my retort would be something like........ and there was I thinking that crack was only available in Glasgow.

But as it's me mode and not you, I will retort with if that if my reply was too hard to digest for you you shouldn't hold a fishing license let alone a hackney carriage one because a road sign is going to totally confuse you, get real man my reply was spot on, you don't want any justice or equality for all, your crusade is motivated purely on either ruining something for those that have bought in, or if you are as stupid as I think you are right now you think if you can get the door open it's going to crank up your own cash cow, well! look at it this way, if you can get one, I can get ten, how long before I shut you out in the cold and watch you starve and you then go the way of the corner shop all the while assuming my rightful mantle as the master of the road, the baron of the bitumen etc.

Take a tip, put the tinny down and read slowly, that way you might understand that all this time smashing the councils ear in has been wasted, it shows who you are by the way you've picked your ball up and left the trade, oh how they must be rejoicing up there now eh \:D/



@ Ali, you might be able to, but your cab would've been unlicensable here now, and there is one whose just had to...not wanted to...had to get rid of a TX that had more filler than metal in it, my figures are a realistic look at what an owner on a radio circuit has to pay out each week, if anyone think he can then afford to let a driver use it for say £100 pw then they need to get to the economics school and also the risk vs reward one, and also Ali, once you've managed to flood the city with hacks, you are going to need a radio yourself, but I know, you'll move on and do something else when that time comes won't you, and without revisiting old wounds if I was in your city and I saw you sat there in front of a 2008 WAV I'm afraid I would walk past you and get in the one behind, a cab isn't cheap and nor is my life, so there is no way I would ride in a 12 year old bucket that was made by the same company that made the Trottermobile :lol:


It perhaps should be considered that part of the inspection process is to have a customer satisfaction test, this would entail the car being sat in and driven over normal streets with a decibel reader, so anything that shakes people up harshly or rattles like a set of cymbals fails, and rips in the seats and trims gets considered also, there should also be a driver satisfaction test where a customer is held upside down and shaken, if no or very little money falls from their pockets, you don't have to take them :badgrin:


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