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Some where in the previous is a response Skull !!! Using my phone, not mastered it yet.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:22 pm 
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I don't know who wrote the following, but it should give you some idea of how the system really works and exactly what you are voting for, or not, as the case may be.

The writing in bold is specifically targeted at you, Dougie.

In my opinion, The Matrix films provide the best metaphor our society has for understanding why organized evil and oppression are allowed to exist, and so I will use it for this purpose. While my interpretation isn't the only possible one, I believe it to be valid, comprehensive, and most importantly, illustrative of the message I am trying to convey.

So let's begin by discussing what the Matrix is not. The Matrix is not the physical world. As far as I'm concerned, the physical world is actually real and is in fact governed ceaselessly by the laws of physics. Conversely, the Matrix is also not the Internet, despite what many seem to believe. The Matrix spans and transcends both these worlds. It has existed since the dawn of civilization, and it will continue to exist until its collapse.
So then, what is it? Well, that's complicated. Much like in the movie, it's nearly impossible to convey the size and scope of the Matrix to someone who doesn't already see it for what it is. However, unlike the movie, I believe it is an ethical imperative to try to convey it in a literal sense, even to those who are so dependent upon the Matrix that they would fight to protect it. At worst, they won't understand or believe and will continue on about their business. In a sense, I believe Cypher was right to resent Morpheus for what he did, because Morpheus engaged in flat out trickery and deception to free people.

But I digress. The Matrix is the social structure that subordinates Humanity to its will. It is the machinery of society that exists solely to perpetuate itself, its influence, and its power independent of any human need. It insulates us from each other and ourselves through deception, and essentially transforms us into servile engines of economic and political output (power). The machines that live off this power are institutions: large corporations, governments, schools, religious institutions, and even non-profit orgs. Every institution will reach a point in its existence where its primary function becomes self-preservation and perpetuation, instead of serving human need. At this point it becomes a machine of the Matrix. For example, when they become machines, governments cease to serve people and instead seek to extend their power over them; corporations prioritize increasing shareholder value over producing quality products or otherwise serving the public good; schools view students as a means and not an end; religious organizations equate membership with salvation (and actively oppose other teachings and even independent practice); and non-profits and charities spend more budget on fund raising activity than on their original focus. Inevitably all large institutions eventually become machines. They become too big for Humanity.

In addition to the independent self-perpetuating machines that write most of our paychecks, the Matrix has several major cooperative and more actively sinister groups of machines subsisting off of its power and directly contributing to the structure of the Matrix itself. These groups are the Military Industrial Complex, the Political Industrial Complex, the Prison Industrial Complex, the Surveillance Industrial Complex, the Media Industrial Complex, the Academic Industrial Complex, the Agricultural Industrial Complex, the Medical Industrial Complex and the major religious organizations (not to be confused with actual religions, many religious organizatons have abandoned the underlying principles of the religions they claim to represent). All machines in these groups either actively oppress humanity, or enable the oppression to persist. It is through their combined efforts that the Matrix takes on some of its more distasteful qualities.

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Dougie, read the above and educate yourself as to how the system really works. Salmond's Scotland, will be no different. You haven't got a clue. #-o


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:48 pm 
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The country Great Britain as we currently know it is fecked, its at its lowest in my life time, Skull the old saying if aint broke dont fix it, well our country Great Britain is broke and we need to fix it.

We are not going to pull out of Europe are we, so in my opinion the only way to fix a broke country or business that is Great Britain is for Scotland to take its cards and get the feck out of the big problem that is Great Britain.

Much easier to repair as a country of 5 million than to die trying to fix a country that is un-fixable and with a population of 60 million and growing you must agree we are not going to see any improvement in our individual lifetimes.

I genuinly believe we can go it alone and even if we have to go 5 steps back to go 10 steps forward im up for change, i don't want to waste an oppertunity in my life time to radically change, its what life is all about, Alex Salmond is right in what he say's concerning us as humans, we are Curious and inventive, we are not programmed to be the same as each other but we can work with each other.

I believe Scotland can work in a Social Democratic way where a little Capitalism and Socialism can be the engine that ticks over our quest to prove we can financially sustain ourselves as an independent country.

You can believe in your Matrix theory but a bit fantasist for me im afraid, im happy at my level and all i ask in life is that our country provides our children with the best education so they can then go out and find there level.

Great Britain is fecked, we need to get the feck out of there or the level of control will just get worse, things can and will only get better if we VOTE YES :D

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Private Reggie wrote:
The country Great Britain as we currently know it is fecked, its at its lowest in my life time, Skull the old saying if aint broke dont fix it, well our country Great Britain is broke and we need to fix it.

We are not going to pull out of Europe are we, so in my opinion the only way to fix a broke country or business that is Great Britain is for Scotland to take its cards and get the feck out of the big problem that is Great Britain.

Much easier to repair as a country of 5 million than to die trying to fix a country that is un-fixable and with a population of 60 million and growing you must agree we are not going to see any improvement in our individual lifetimes.

I genuinly believe we can go it alone and even if we have to go 5 steps back to go 10 steps forward im up for change, i don't want to waste an oppertunity in my life time to radically change, its what life is all about, Alex Salmond is right in what he say's concerning us as humans, we are Curious and inventive, we are not programmed to be the same as each other but we can work with each other.

I believe Scotland can work in a Social Democratic way where a little Capitalism and Socialism can be the engine that ticks over our quest to prove we can financially sustain ourselves as an independent country.

You can believe in your Matrix theory but a bit fantasist for me im afraid, im happy at my level and all i ask in life is that our country provides our children with the best education so they can then go out and find there level.

Great Britain is fecked, we need to get the feck out of there or the level of control will just get worse, things can and will only get better if we VOTE YES :D


Dougie, you never really read the above, did you? Oh and it wasn't me who wrote it, so it's not my theory, but it is well substantiated explanation of how the real world operates. That's if, you actually see the world through your own eyes. Btw, Dougie, the matrix is used as a metaphor to give the real world a literal explanation.

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I believe it is an ethical imperative to try to convey it in a literal sense, even to those who are so dependent upon the Matrix that they would fight to protect it. At worst, they won't understand or believe and will continue on about their business.


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You need not worry Dougie. I knew before putting the post "The Matrix" on TDO, your programming/conditioning wouldn't allow you to consider the truth, of what was written. :-|


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Private Reggie wrote:
Great Britain is fecked, we need to get the feck out of there or the level of control will just get worse, things can and will only get better if we VOTE YES :D


What do you mean by 'level of control'?

Salmond wants to be at the 'heart of Europe'. He wants to keep the Queen, keep the pound, wants the Bank of England to set interest rates and act as Scotland's lender of last resort, wants the UK's Green Investment Bank located in Scotland, blah blah.

So much for 'independence'; still in thrall to Westminster and Brussels :roll:


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gusmac wrote:
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fascist Salmond


Your dislike of Alex Salmond is obvious to anyone Jim.
Care to tell us why you think he's a fascist?


Probably for the same reason that Salmond compared a BBC boss to a **** official because he wasn't allowed to commentate on the Calcutta Cup match? [-X

If it's OK for the First Minister of Scotland then presumably it's OK for someone posting on TDO? [-(

I mean, he should be thanking the BBC for doing him a favour :oops: :lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... icial.html


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I've put this video on TDO before, but I think it's worth further consideration depending on your attention span. #-o

The Story of Your Enslavement

http://freedomainradio.com/Videos.aspx

Oh and btw, Dougie, is the fat fu*ker (metaphorically speaking) on the back of the truck.

Ignorance is bliss, #-o "Independence" you're having a fecking laugh :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:10 am 
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Skull wrote:
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Why would Scotland become a Banana republic with the chinese desperate to gain control of Grangemouth refinery and no doubt an independant Scotland would be strongly courted by the US Scotland would be in a strong position to pick and choose whose pawn they become :p


Now let's think about this edders, and I mean, really, think about it. How would Scotland be, any different to England, when it comes to representing the man on the street?

You know. I struggle to see the difference, other than, another cabal running things for their benefit.

I could be wrong, but perhaps Stationtone, and the likes, would care to explain how things are going to get better for your average Joe, under independence.

I just don't see it, but I am open to persuasion.


Over to you Stationtone, sell me Independence? :-|


Raise and spend our revenues on the things that matter to the Scottish people .( infrastructure , Health, welfare and the elderly )
People living in Scotland making decisions for Scottish people.
Having a seat a the top table in the European Parliament( roughly 15 MEPs instead of 6 )
Being able to lower corporation tax to encourage growth, investment and create Jobs .
No more sending our young men into illegal wars
NO more WMDs on the Clyde


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Stationtone wrote:
Skull wrote:
edders23 wrote:
Why would Scotland become a Banana republic with the chinese desperate to gain control of Grangemouth refinery and no doubt an independant Scotland would be strongly courted by the US Scotland would be in a strong position to pick and choose whose pawn they become :p


Now let's think about this edders, and I mean, really, think about it. How would Scotland be, any different to England, when it comes to representing the man on the street?

You know. I struggle to see the difference, other than, another cabal running things for their benefit.

I could be wrong, but perhaps Stationtone, and the likes, would care to explain how things are going to get better for your average Joe, under independence.

I just don't see it, but I am open to persuasion.


Over to you Stationtone, sell me Independence? :-|


Raise and spend our revenues on the things that matter to the Scottish people .( infrastructure , Health, welfare and the elderly )
People living in Scotland making decisions for Scottish people.
Having a seat a the top table in the European Parliament( roughly 15 MEPs instead of 6 )
Being able to lower corporation tax to encourage growth, investment and create Jobs .
No more sending our young men into illegal wars
NO more WMDs on the Clyde



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This is a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the, Stationtone, I haven't got a clue, Party Image


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So you've left the farm gary?

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So you've left the farm gary?


No, I simply recognise it, and don't delude myself by believing otherwise. :-|

Dougie, Stationtone and others are just dreamers. I don't think there is any other way to describe their thinking. :-|


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Skull wrote:
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So you've left the farm gary?


No, I simply recognise it, and don't delude myself by believing otherwise. :-|



Interesting video, in a terrifying kind of way.

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captain cab wrote:
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So you've left the farm gary?


No, I simply recognise it, and don't delude myself by believing otherwise. :-|



Interesting video, in a terrifying kind of way.

CC



I don't like it myself, but what's the choice, become like Dougie and Stationtone? Not for me, I'm afraid. :-|


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Skull wrote:
I don't know who wrote the following, but it should give you some idea of how the system really works and exactly what you are voting for, or not, as the case may be.

The writing in bold is specifically targeted at you, Dougie.

In my opinion, The Matrix films provide the best metaphor our society has for understanding why organized evil and oppression are allowed to exist, and so I will use it for this purpose. While my interpretation isn't the only possible one, I believe it to be valid, comprehensive, and most importantly, illustrative of the message I am trying to convey.

So let's begin by discussing what the Matrix is not. The Matrix is not the physical world. As far as I'm concerned, the physical world is actually real and is in fact governed ceaselessly by the laws of physics. Conversely, the Matrix is also not the Internet, despite what many seem to believe. The Matrix spans and transcends both these worlds. It has existed since the dawn of civilization, and it will continue to exist until its collapse.
So then, what is it? Well, that's complicated. Much like in the movie, it's nearly impossible to convey the size and scope of the Matrix to someone who doesn't already see it for what it is. However, unlike the movie, I believe it is an ethical imperative to try to convey it in a literal sense, even to those who are so dependent upon the Matrix that they would fight to protect it. At worst, they won't understand or believe and will continue on about their business. In a sense, I believe Cypher was right to resent Morpheus for what he did, because Morpheus engaged in flat out trickery and deception to free people.

But I digress. The Matrix is the social structure that subordinates Humanity to its will. It is the machinery of society that exists solely to perpetuate itself, its influence, and its power independent of any human need. It insulates us from each other and ourselves through deception, and essentially transforms us into servile engines of economic and political output (power). The machines that live off this power are institutions: large corporations, governments, schools, religious institutions, and even non-profit orgs. Every institution will reach a point in its existence where its primary function becomes self-preservation and perpetuation, instead of serving human need. At this point it becomes a machine of the Matrix. For example, when they become machines, governments cease to serve people and instead seek to extend their power over them; corporations prioritize increasing shareholder value over producing quality products or otherwise serving the public good; schools view students as a means and not an end; religious organizations equate membership with salvation (and actively oppose other teachings and even independent practice); and non-profits and charities spend more budget on fund raising activity than on their original focus. Inevitably all large institutions eventually become machines. They become too big for Humanity.

In addition to the independent self-perpetuating machines that write most of our paychecks, the Matrix has several major cooperative and more actively sinister groups of machines subsisting off of its power and directly contributing to the structure of the Matrix itself. These groups are the Military Industrial Complex, the Political Industrial Complex, the Prison Industrial Complex, the Surveillance Industrial Complex, the Media Industrial Complex, the Academic Industrial Complex, the Agricultural Industrial Complex, the Medical Industrial Complex and the major religious organizations (not to be confused with actual religions, many religious organizatons have abandoned the underlying principles of the religions they claim to represent). All machines in these groups either actively oppress humanity, or enable the oppression to persist. It is through their combined efforts that the Matrix takes on some of its more distasteful qualities.

:-|


What do you think of the above CC? I think the guy that wrote it is, bang on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_j52Odw ... re=related
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