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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:40 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Driver education just doesn't work on the thick headed irresponsible ones who know they are right. :wink:
And it doesn't help when your talking about a trade where 12 hour days are the norm and 20 odd hour shifts are far from unheard of.
How do you test for tiredness BTW?

Self regulation doesn't work. Period. If it did, buses and lorries wouldn't have got them.
It will come for taxis and PH too. Sure as sh!t's brown.


Not In the next 10 years i'll bet, Such a useless piece of legislation would need to come from the EU and the EU is about guffed, If not totally guffed It'll be a Europe minus Britain as a partner within a few years and then such legislation would be meaningless anyway.

As your the only couple making a noise about it, then It should be you that tries to prove or benchmark what tiredness is, your assuming we all suffer from it after more than a few hours driving, yet some folk may be Insomniacs and get by on little or no sleep, others might be firemen or policeman moonlighting as Taxi or PH drivers, they might have spent the prior 12 hours on shift and are tired even before they start a driving shift, Others could be tired before their shifts start due to a myriad of reasons...and a tacho wont thin out a single one of them.

Buses and Lorries are Different as I said earlier...They either carry out work booked well in advance or do Scheduled bus routes known about well in advance. You Just cannot do that with Hacks or PH because the work is sporadic and instantaneous...We just could not plan ahead for a second driver to cover driver hours simply because we just do not know what work we have until a few minutes before we are required...Indeed we cannot plan ahead for any other scenarios for those very same reasons, we would be left stranded away from home regularly because any runs we took after the last half of our working day might just catch us out due to a lack of driver time. I have had many runs that started as a short journey but due to other circumstances and customer requirements they have ended up going much further afield than originally anticipated by the customer.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:52 pm 
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It may not be a good comparison fairplay, but it's the only one we have. The alternative is to do nothing, which is becoming more and more politically unacceptable.

Your point about the second job brigade is valid. TBH it makes a good argument for not allowing drivers with another job.
But that's another topic for another time. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:52 pm 
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It may not be a good comparison fairplay, but it's the only one we have. The alternative is to do nothing, which is becoming more and more politically unacceptable.

Your point about the second job brigade is valid. TBH it makes a good argument for not allowing drivers with another job.
But that's another topic for another time. :wink:


It's not becoming politically unacceptable that is the problem, its that our politics are becoming unacceptable no matter what political creed they come from, they tinker with the little things because they cant cure the big things. What we need is less regulation, not more.

I have been arguing for years that the more regulatory laws and Obstacles that the EU or UK governments force us to abide by do no more than make us more uncompetitive universally, we need less rules not more in an effort to allow business's to become profitable with an aim to pulling us out of our current recession and back into positive growth and expansion.

As we already lead the way on Health and safety and employees rights I think we have done more than enough already. as a result of these costly ideals we bust our financial gut in an effort to conform to the rules, the result is a more prolonged recession as we watch from the sidelines as China, India and America sail off into the rich seas of success as we flounder here in the doldrums brought about through to much political interference.

It's almost as if in an a bid to be nice and considerate to all we have to punish ourselves to the point of self destruct.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:07 pm 
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Tacho’s can’t tell how tired a driver is. What if someone has a 9-5 day job, then drives a Taxi at night ?. Thankfully most people are responsible & if they’re not, then aye, they should have the book thrown at them. I agree with, “Blood” tho’, comparing lorry & bus drivers to us is daft.



get rid of the part timers then :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:16 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:

There will always be the Drink driver, the Drugged Driver, and the Driver that falls asleep at the wheel....But the occurrence of PH or Hacks falling asleep or driving dangerously due to tiredness is very low and certainly no worse than it is for any UK road user.



So we have to wait for our own personal tragedy to happen just because you think the chances of it are slim?

You're a fecking ersehole of the first order. A total dumbkopf.

Edinburgh's biggest PH company allowed a guy to risk a customer's life with a 21 hour shift. He also placed in jeopardy EVERYONE travelling alongside him on a road that is renowned as a KILLER. You should be asking for their licence to be withdrawn on the basis they're not fit and proper to hold a licence. In the interests of public safety.

But you can't think of the carnage of an innocent family being wiped out because of the practice of feeding jobs to tired drivers, you can only think of your own personal interests.

And what happens when the family wiped out is YOURS you feckwit? What will you say then?

Well, if that would upset you then, FFS it should also upset you now. And enough to do something about it NOW!

I've said it before, I'll say it again; I loathe the fact that any taxi trade is contaminated with selfish scum like YOU.

Grow up FFS!

And if you do really operate safely, then tachos wouldn't affect you. That you're so steamed up about them only suggests that you're also a lying scumbag.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:28 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:

There will always be the Drink driver, the Drugged Driver, and the Driver that falls asleep at the wheel....But the occurrence of PH or Hacks falling asleep or driving dangerously due to tiredness is very low and certainly no worse than it is for any UK road user.



So we have to wait for our own personal tragedy to happen just because you think the chances of it are slim?

You're a fecking ersehole of the first order. A total dumbkopf.

Edinburgh's biggest PH company allowed a guy to risk a customer's life with a 21 hour shift. He also placed in jeopardy EVERYONE travelling alongside him on a road that is renowned as a KILLER. You should be asking for their licence to be withdrawn on the basis they're not fit and proper to hold a licence. In the interests of public safety.

But you can't think of the carnage of an innocent family being wiped out because of the practice of feeding jobs to tired drivers, you can only think of your own personal interests.

And what happens when the family wiped out is YOURS you feckwit? What will you say then?

Well, if that would upset you then, FFS it should also upset you now. And enough to do something about it NOW!

I've said it before, I'll say it again; I loathe the fact that any taxi trade is contaminated with selfish scum like YOU.

Grow up FFS!

And if you do really operate safely, then tachos wouldn't affect you. That you're so steamed up about them only suggests that you're also a lying scumbag.


Did this driver kill anyone?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:29 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
bloodnock wrote:

There will always be the Drink driver, the Drugged Driver, and the Driver that falls asleep at the wheel....But the occurrence of PH or Hacks falling asleep or driving dangerously due to tiredness is very low and certainly no worse than it is for any UK road user.



So we have to wait for our own personal tragedy to happen just because you think the chances of it are slim?

You're a fecking ersehole of the first order. A total dumbkopf.

Edinburgh's biggest PH company allowed a guy to risk a customer's life with a 21 hour shift. He also placed in jeopardy EVERYONE travelling alongside him on a road that is renowned as a KILLER. You should be asking for their licence to be withdrawn on the basis they're not fit and proper to hold a licence. In the interests of public safety.

But you can't think of the carnage of an innocent family being wiped out because of the practice of feeding jobs to tired drivers, you can only think of your own personal interests.

And what happens when the family wiped out is YOURS you feckwit? What will you say then?

Well, if that would upset you then, FFS it should also upset you now. And enough to do something about it NOW!

I've said it before, I'll say it again; I loathe the fact that any taxi trade is contaminated with selfish scum like YOU.

Grow up FFS!

And if you do really operate safely, then tachos wouldn't affect you. That you're so steamed up about them only suggests that you're also a lying scumbag.


Remind me again..who are you driving for right now?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:30 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
bloodnock wrote:

There will always be the Drink driver, the Drugged Driver, and the Driver that falls asleep at the wheel....But the occurrence of PH or Hacks falling asleep or driving dangerously due to tiredness is very low and certainly no worse than it is for any UK road user.



So we have to wait for our own personal tragedy to happen just because you think the chances of it are slim?

You're a fecking ersehole of the first order. A total dumbkopf.

Edinburgh's biggest PH company allowed a guy to risk a customer's life with a 21 hour shift. He also placed in jeopardy EVERYONE travelling alongside him on a road that is renowned as a KILLER. You should be asking for their licence to be withdrawn on the basis they're not fit and proper to hold a licence. In the interests of public safety.

But you can't think of the carnage of an innocent family being wiped out because of the practice of feeding jobs to tired drivers, you can only think of your own personal interests.

And what happens when the family wiped out is YOURS you feckwit? What will you say then?

Well, if that would upset you then, FFS it should also upset you now. And enough to do something about it NOW!

I've said it before, I'll say it again; I loathe the fact that any taxi trade is contaminated with selfish scum like YOU.

Grow up FFS!

And if you do really operate safely, then tachos wouldn't affect you. That you're so steamed up about them only suggests that you're also a lying scumbag.


Remind me again..who are you driving for right bow?


Why should that matter?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:34 pm 
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Grow up FFS!

And if you do really operate safely, then tachos wouldn't affect you. That you're so steamed up about them only suggests that you're also a lying scumbag.


Maybe we send off a copy of your replies on this topic to assist your case and back up your original argument. though I'm sure they'll be reading them already.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:35 pm 
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gusmac wrote:

Why should that matter?


Does it matter? Jasbars got a decent argument, but sadly, he's gone beyond pointing out views and chosen the avenue of cheap insults.......whilst he in my view is right, he's just lost the argument......ffs, he's one of the more intelligent gents on here too :-|

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:40 pm 
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Why should that matter?

Sorry........Typo error..should have read...


Remind me again..who are you driving for right now?

And yes it matters, I think this more about a dislike of a specific PH company or driver than it is about a cause celebre..for if it had a been a cause we would have heard about it long before now.


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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:

Why should that matter?


Does it matter? Jasbars got a decent argument, but sadly, he's gone beyond pointing out views and chosen the avenue of cheap insults.......whilst he in my view is right, he's just lost the argument......ffs, he's one of the more intelligent gents on here too :-|



Agreed.
Greed and stupidity v public safety. It's a slam dunk.
The insults just hurt his credibility.

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captain cab wrote:
Fairplay wrote:
Tacho’s can’t tell how tired a driver is. What if someone has a 9-5 day job, then drives a Taxi at night ?. Thankfully most people are responsible & if they’re not, then aye, they should have the book thrown at them. I agree with, “Blood” tho’, comparing lorry & bus drivers to us is daft.



get rid of the part timers then :wink:


I'd go along with that..


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Why should that matter?

Sorry........Typo error..should have read...


Remind me again..who are you driving for right now?

And yes it matters, I think this more about a dislike of a specific PH company or driver than it is about a cause celebre..for if it had a been a cause we would have heard about it long before now.


His motives are unimportant, what he says is correct. And we have been hearing this for a number of years...you just haven't been listening.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:47 pm 
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get rid of the part timers then :wink:


I'd go along with that..


What's the difference between someone working 8 hours at one job and 4 hours as a cabbie, and someone working 12 hours as a cabbie?

Unless the first job is as a mattress tester.... :lol:

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