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And at the liaison committee meetings there are no votes taken
And as for private hire being represented correct me when if I am wrong there are four Private Hire drivers associations and two Private Hire Company Associations that are represented at each meeting and only four Hackney Associations each association two members only .
and has not a question of levy been present at a licensing committee on its own
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If my memory correct, at the liaison meeting 20th June 2000 when the levy was first proposed, 18 association members were invited to attend plus 5 elected members, SODA only 1 rep allowed, SLOPA 2 reps allowed, as only 2 PH associations existed at this time, who were the other 15 members?.

The elected members from the LC sought the views from each of the18 persons attending, is that not a vote?


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And at the liaison committee meetings there are no votes taken
And as for private hire being represented correct me when if I am wrong there are four Private Hire drivers associations and two Private Hire Company Associations that are represented at each meeting and only four Hackney Associations each association two members only .
and has not a question of levy been present at a licensing committee on its own
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If my memory correct, at the liaison meeting 20th June 2000 when the levy was first proposed, 18 association members were invited to attend plus 5 elected members, SODA only 1 rep allowed, SLOPA 2 reps allowed, as only 2 PH associations existed at this time, who were the other 15 members?.

The elected members from the LC sought the views from each of the18 persons attending, is that not a vote?



You are going back to a meeting in 2000 . I know the one now, if my memory serves me correct, the council contacted all associations that were registered with itself,. prior to that meeting there was very little or even no representation from private hire drivers, not that they were excluded just that they couldn't be bothered to go, the Hackney Trade for a great deal of years before that had attended quarterly meeting, the council looked for a consensus of opinion you cannot possibly blame the council because private High Association's did not exist, no votes were taken at that meeting as far as I remember only a report on the views of the association's present


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Correct me if I am wrong, I seem to remember that at that meeting the consensus of opinion was to change the criteria regarding the issue of plates to include all the private hire section ,were as before it had only been existing Hackney drivers.


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SODA existed, why was he only allowed 1 representative at the meeting even though he complained about it? for this reason I do blame the council.


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SODA existed, why was he only allowed 1 representative at the meeting even though he complained about it? for this reason I do blame the council.


To be totally honest with you I do not know. I myself received notification of that meeting, requesting that I went . and the reason for the meeting. beyond that I have no answers.


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why do i get the feeling someone is reading from minutes?

anyway in answer;



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The democratic process has not been followed unless you consider 14 HC voting against 2 PH a balanced view.

It is not about getting his way, would sefton accept a split of 14.1.1. on any committee a balanced committee?, I don't think so.


Regardless of what you think, due process has been followed and the independant assessment seems to put the onus on your body.

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[quote="captain cab"]why do i get the feeling someone is reading from minutes?

anyway in answer


You don't say is he


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Following an investigation he now confirmed that he had not surveyed his drivers.


Sorry to be a pain ................... but there had to be an investigation for someone to confirm that he had not surveyed his drivers.

Could he not remember???

would you remember what you did five years before. :roll:


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would you remember what you did five years before.


them nice people who filled out questionaires in Trafford had a similar memory loss :wink:

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And at the liaison committee meetings there are no votes taken
And as for private hire being represented correct me when if I am wrong there are four Private Hire drivers associations and two Private Hire Company Associations that are represented at each meeting and only four Hackney Associations each association two members only .
and has not a question of levy been present at a licensing committee on its own
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If my memory correct, at the liaison meeting 20th June 2000 when the levy was first proposed, 18 association members were invited to attend plus 5 elected members, SODA only 1 rep allowed, SLOPA 2 reps allowed, as only 2 PH associations existed at this time, who were the other 15 members?.

The elected members from the LC sought the views from each of the18 persons attending, is that not a vote?



I have checked my notes of that meeting., and it would seem that Slopa were representing eight Private Hire Companies at the time, and the person representing soda asked for the meeting to be cancelled and rescheduled as he had not realised that there would be two members from each association attending


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And at the liaison committee meetings there are no votes taken
And as for private hire being represented correct me when if I am wrong there are four Private Hire drivers associations and two Private Hire Company Associations that are represented at each meeting and only four Hackney Associations each association two members only .
and has not a question of levy been present at a licensing committee on its own
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If my memory correct, at the liaison meeting 20th June 2000 when the levy was first proposed, 18 association members were invited to attend plus 5 elected members, SODA only 1 rep allowed, SLOPA 2 reps allowed, as only 2 PH associations existed at this time, who were the other 15 members?.

The elected members from the LC sought the views from each of the18 persons attending, is that not a vote?



I have checked my notes of that meeting., and it would seem that Slopa were representing eight Private Hire Companies at the time, and the person representing soda asked for the meeting to be cancelled and rescheduled as he had not realised that there would be two members from each association attending


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I have checked my notes of that meeting., and it would seem that Slopa were representing eight Private Hire Companies at the time, and the person representing soda asked for the meeting to be cancelled and rescheduled as he had not realised that there would be two members from each association attending
SODA wrote to the legal director before the meeting requesting that he be allowed 2 representatives, the request was denied saying the meeting is limited to 18 reps only, so I suggest he was fully aware that 2 members allowed from each association.

If you have notes of the meeting, how many people represented SLOPA at the meeting?

Who were the other 15 or 16 representatives?


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Yes I did agree with you before, the survey that took place was whether his drivers wanted a Hackney licence and not about the two pound levy, I said this before


And did he expect an honest answer to whether drivers wanted a hack licence?

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I have checked my notes of that meeting., and it would seem that Slopa were representing eight Private Hire Companies at the time, and the person representing soda asked for the meeting to be cancelled and rescheduled as he had not realised that there would be two members from each association attending
SODA wrote to the legal director before the meeting requesting that he be allowed 2 representatives, the request was denied saying the meeting is limited to 18 reps only, so I suggest he was fully aware that 2 members allowed from each association.

If you have notes of the meeting, how many people represented SLOPA at the meeting?

Who were the other 15 or 16 representatives?




Mr Bolt on.. it has been nice having this little chat with you, but seeing as you are reading from the minutes of the meeting and other meetings, and obviously have access to the gentleman's own files( I won't say his name it would be a childish thing to do, but you must be careful on here as there is certain Mr JD who would) it would seem you have the answers already, but I did find something else in my notes that I found interesting, its seems that on the day they were very mingy with the tea and biscuits.... :wink:
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Yes I did agree with you before, the survey that took place was whether his drivers wanted a Hackney licence and not about the two pound levy, I said this before


And did he expect an honest answer to whether drivers wanted a hack licence?





Quite a lot of people prefer being private hire you know and don't really want to be Hackney, there are quite a few drivers that work on the cabs,. if it becomes more busy on the private hire they swap over, nobody would have been sacked for saying they wanted a Hackney plate that I know of.
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