Mob rule on the streets of Britain

grandad · **Joined:** Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm **Posts:** 20130

gusmac wrote:

grandad wrote:

gusmac wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

And that's what we have in the UK!!!

No it isn't
The swift and harsh justice we have seen this week proves otherwise.
If you still believe that, you are seriously deluded.

It's not so long since the goverment were interfering in the judicial process to allow all sorts of scumbags out early and to ensure the courts handed out non custodial sentences, because the country couldn't afford to lock up so many people.
Now, under political pressure, they can lock people up for stealing water and doughnuts :shock:

FFS.

Compare that with this case and tell me where the justice is.
http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... highlight=
If the same heavy hand had dealt with these scrotes, they wouldn't have seen the light of day for 10 years.
Instead they loose a few days pay and have to scrub graffitti or paint OAP's houses for a few hours a week.

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Compare countries like Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, to name but a few and then criticise our legal system and sentencing powers.

These countries don't pretend to be democracies with a judiciary that is free from political interference.

What punishments would you like to have seen handed out?

Whatever was appropriate to the offences for which the accused were convicted.
Not what was called for by a government with brown trousers.

That is a cop out.
As far as the courts and most of the general public are concerned the sentances are appropriate. You think otherwise so what is your opinion? Don't be shy, if you think a slap on the wrist is appropriate, say so.

gusmac · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:53 pm

grandad wrote:

gusmac wrote:

grandad wrote:

gusmac wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

And that's what we have in the UK!!!

No it isn't
The swift and harsh justice we have seen this week proves otherwise.
If you still believe that, you are seriously deluded.

It's not so long since the goverment were interfering in the judicial process to allow all sorts of scumbags out early and to ensure the courts handed out non custodial sentences, because the country couldn't afford to lock up so many people.
Now, under political pressure, they can lock people up for stealing water and doughnuts :shock:

FFS.

Compare that with this case and tell me where the justice is.
http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... highlight=
If the same heavy hand had dealt with these scrotes, they wouldn't have seen the light of day for 10 years.
Instead they loose a few days pay and have to scrub graffitti or paint OAP's houses for a few hours a week.

Quote:

Compare countries like Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, to name but a few and then criticise our legal system and sentencing powers.

These countries don't pretend to be democracies with a judiciary that is free from political interference.

What punishments would you like to have seen handed out?

Whatever was appropriate to the offences for which the accused were convicted.
Not what was called for by a government with brown trousers.

That is a cop out.
As far as the courts and most of the general public are concerned the sentances are appropriate. You think otherwise so what is your opinion? Don't be shy, if you think a slap on the wrist is appropriate, say so.

It's not about what I think they should have got. It's about consistency.

If you are going to jail someone for stealing £3.50's worth of water or half a dozen doughnuts, jail everyone who commits a similar offence for a similar amount of time. That's fair.

The only message this puts out to scumbags is "don't steal during a riot. Rest of the time is ok."

grandad · **Joined:** Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm **Posts:** 20130

gusmac wrote:

It's not about what I think they should have got. It's about consistency.

If you are going to jail someone for stealing £3.50's worth of water or half a dozen doughnuts, jail everyone who commits a similar offence for a similar amount of time. That's fair.

The only message this puts out to scumbags is "don't steal during a riot. Rest of the time is ok."

It is not just the stealing that people are being jailed for, it is the aggravating circumstances as well.

gusmac · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:08 pm

grandad wrote:

gusmac wrote:

It's not about what I think they should have got. It's about consistency.

If you are going to jail someone for stealing £3.50's worth of water or half a dozen doughnuts, jail everyone who commits a similar offence for a similar amount of time. That's fair.

The only message this puts out to scumbags is "don't steal during a riot. Rest of the time is ok."

It is not just the stealing that people are being jailed for, it is the aggravating circumstances as well.

Like this woman?:

A woman has been freed from jail after what is understood to be the first successful appeal against a sentence in connection with last week's riots.

Mother-of-two Ursula Nevin was jailed for five months by a district judge in Manchester on 13 August.

Nevin, 24, had admitted accepting a pair of shorts looted from a city centre shop by a friend.

Judge Andrew Gilbart QC set aside the jail sentence because Nevin had not actually taken part in the riots.

Hearing the appeal at Manchester Crown Court, Judge Gilbart ordered Nevin to do 75 hours of unpaid voluntary work instead.

He said the initial sentence was "wrong in principle".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14589259

gusmac · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:19 pm

How about this one?

David Beswick got 18 months in prison following a guilty plea to handling stolen goods.
Beswick was given a flat screen television to put in his car and had no previous convictions for offences of dishonesty.

No mention of him rioting or looting.
Are these people being sentenced for what others did?

Under any other circumstances, that would have been a few hours community service or a fine.

blackpool · **Joined:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 2406

F@cking joke ,if any of these low level crimes were commited the day before the riots do you think it would be the same ? Im not saying the serious stuff shouldnt be dealt with harshly, it just has to be consistent.As for the middle east of what relevance is that to here ? Our goverment supports the rioters and rebels there !

cabby john · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:28 pm

They just love to waste money on things that the rest of us can see from a mile away that the sentences were disproportionate.

No doubt there will be many more appeals, with many in the judicial system getting richer by the day. Very opportunist and the waste goes on at the highest level.

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:51 pm

The "low level" crimes blackpool?

if your shop had been blagged would you be saying the same?

gusmac · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:08 pm

wannabeeahack wrote:

The "low level" crimes blackpool?

if your shop had been blagged would you be saying the same?

If my shop had been blagged the week before, I'd be wondering what made his shop more important than mine.

blackpool · **Joined:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 2406

The "low level" crimes blackpool?

if your shop had been blagged would you be saying the same?

Yes i would,would i think im something special ?As i said before if it was one of your kids ? Dont suppose you ever did anything wrong did you,you were probally a alter boy :wink:

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:12 pm

so if its your kids they can riot?

they can kill and rob?

with no comebacks?

blackpool · **Joined:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:37 pm **Posts:** 2406

Riot,kill and rob ? your imagination is running away with yourself again ! More like handling stolen property,some people were never even near the riot :roll:

Sussex · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:37 pm

blackpool wrote:

F@cking joke ,if any of these low level crimes were commited the day before the riots do you think it would be the same ?

But they were.

The riot was/is a massive aggravating issue, no riot no aggravation.

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:42 pm

blackpool wrote:

Riot,kill and rob ? your imagination is running away with yourself again ! More like handling stolen property,some people were never even near the riot :roll:

your a bit short sighted

without "fences" there would be fewer crimes of theft, which is why the police like to nick them, where did all the stolen items end up, ebay or with the handlers?...

with no way to launder goods crooks arent so keen to nick em, its like pyramid selling

so yes, thieves and handlers go together, hopefully in the same paddy-wagon

so tell me again Blackpool, what crimes would you let your kids get away with scot-free?

Skull · **Joined:** Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am **Posts:** 10460

wannabeeahack wrote:

blackpool wrote:

Riot,kill and rob ? your imagination is running away with yourself again ! More like handling stolen property,some people were never even near the riot :roll:

your a bit short sighted

without "fences" there would be fewer crimes of theft, which is why the police like to nick them, where did all the stolen items end up, ebay or with the handlers?...

with no way to launder goods crooks arent so keen to nick em, its like pyramid selling

so yes, thieves and handlers go together, hopefully in the same paddy-wagon

so tell me again Blackpool, what crimes would you let your kids get away with scot-free?

I'm sure RACISM wouldn't be one of them. What do you think wannabeeahack, should people get away with RACISM, scot-free?

It is a crime, is it not? :shock:

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