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I would never dream of telling you to stop fighting... But with Jim on your side.... you could well be doomed to failure......


I completely disagree.

Its refreshing to see the edinburgh two actually discuss something we all agree with, and I applaud them for it.

Its a more or less known fact that a good number councils are led by LO's who want nothing more than an easy life, they crave power, in many respects they are worse than the councillors, who admittedly are a pretty poor bunch.

As if councillors didnt have enough contempt for the taxi trade......they delegate their powers to a bunch of people who despise us even more.

Dare I mention the corporate complaints made in Merseyside recently about the lack of action / stupid decisions made?

I am fast coming to the conclusion if we are to have any chance at all, we need to be governed by professionals, not licensing departments who see us as a hinderance.

CC
I am not quite sure what it is you disagree with... but then that is not unusual..... if you think somebody ranting and raging in a council chamber gives an advantage to your argument... then I can assure you it doesn't..... all it does is put a smile on the licensing officers face as he sees the Councillors turning against you.... in reality you have shot yourself in the foot ... not a very clever move...... corporate complaint is an extremely useful tool..... I wonder how many other association's take the fight straight to their faces and fight them with their own weapons... courts and lawyers are time-consuming and expensive.. if you win you lose... if you lose they win.... they use your money to fight you in court.... I much prefer to educate the Councillors whom from my own experience do not like being lied to by council employees..... but what do I know....


Are you mad? This is about supporting guys who have suffered as a consequence of their council abusing its powers. It has nothing to do with ranting and raging in council Chambers.

All I am asking for is, TDO to provide the facility to lend these guys some practical support.

This means that any individual or group that has fallen foul of their council, can be supported collectively by their colleagues, throughout the country, if they so choose.

These councils are shooting fish in a barrel. They have to be stopped. TDO, could be the mechanism to lend some real weight to their plight.

Do the math, TDO has nearly 2000 members, and how many more might become interested if they thought they could cause a change in the way councils treat cabbies?

The guys in Ashfield are just the tip of the sword, with the right support to wield that sword, councils abusing their powers could be stopped in their tracks. Everyone stands to benefit. :-|
No Gary I am not mad..... nor do I lose battles....... the taxi trade is littered with court cases..... costing the trade thousands and thousands of pounds ..... and when they won it cost them even more........ But prove me wrong.... I can assure you I could live with that :wink:

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What about templates, for example, that would allow drivers without any legal training to embark on launching there own action ? I would be willing to put something together
That would not be such a bad idea, each offence... the law or act it comes under.. the correct procedure that councils should follow..... and so on

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MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
captain cab wrote:
MR T wrote:
I would never dream of telling you to stop fighting... But with Jim on your side.... you could well be doomed to failure......


I completely disagree.

Its refreshing to see the edinburgh two actually discuss something we all agree with, and I applaud them for it.

Its a more or less known fact that a good number councils are led by LO's who want nothing more than an easy life, they crave power, in many respects they are worse than the councillors, who admittedly are a pretty poor bunch.

As if councillors didnt have enough contempt for the taxi trade......they delegate their powers to a bunch of people who despise us even more.

Dare I mention the corporate complaints made in Merseyside recently about the lack of action / stupid decisions made?

I am fast coming to the conclusion if we are to have any chance at all, we need to be governed by professionals, not licensing departments who see us as a hinderance.

CC
I am not quite sure what it is you disagree with... but then that is not unusual..... if you think somebody ranting and raging in a council chamber gives an advantage to your argument... then I can assure you it doesn't..... all it does is put a smile on the licensing officers face as he sees the Councillors turning against you.... in reality you have shot yourself in the foot ... not a very clever move...... corporate complaint is an extremely useful tool..... I wonder how many other association's take the fight straight to their faces and fight them with their own weapons... courts and lawyers are time-consuming and expensive.. if you win you lose... if you lose they win.... they use your money to fight you in court.... I much prefer to educate the Councillors whom from my own experience do not like being lied to by council employees..... but what do I know....


Are you mad? This is about supporting guys who have suffered as a consequence of their council abusing its powers. It has nothing to do with ranting and raging in council Chambers.

All I am asking for is, TDO to provide the facility to lend these guys some practical support.

This means that any individual or group that has fallen foul of their council, can be supported collectively by their colleagues, throughout the country, if they so choose.

These councils are shooting fish in a barrel. They have to be stopped. TDO, could be the mechanism to lend some real weight to their plight.

Do the math, TDO has nearly 2000 members, and how many more might become interested if they thought they could cause a change in the way councils treat cabbies?

The guys in Ashfield are just the tip of the sword, with the right support to wield that sword, councils abusing their powers could be stopped in their tracks. Everyone stands to benefit. :-|
No Gary I am not mad..... nor do I lose battles....... the taxi trade is littered with court cases..... crossing the trade thousands and thousands of pounds ..... and when they won it cost them even more........ But prove me wrong.... I can assure you I could live with that :wink:


The internet is changing everything Mr. T. It costs sweeties for millions of people to communicate up and down the country. If you have a network (TDO) of individuals with a shared vision and a consensus to protect their own interests. Connecting with other networks with the same or similar interests is not a problem. Two thousand members on TDO, could be fifty thousand by the end of the week. TDO, is a country, wide skeletal organisation, and a communications platform.

Organisation, communication, the mobilization of support, coordinated collective decision making - action. The only thing missing is the facility to support a worthwhile cause.

What we need is a flash response to council abuse. Collectively, it would cost peanuts to fight a council and win. Who gives a shi* how much it costs overall, it might only cost the individual supporting the cause buttons to make a huge change to his working conditions? To me, that's a price well worth paying to gain a little respect from council officials and Councillors.



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http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/de ... s-number-1

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You could use TDO to highlight and discuss the issue, PM and Email every member to get the word out on their Facebook or Myspace page and twitter about the council injustice and those responsible all over the place. As well as asking other taxi forums to get involved.



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MR T wrote:
Braveheart wrote:
What about templates, for example, that would allow drivers without any legal training to embark on launching there own action ? I would be willing to put something together
That would not be such a bad idea, each offence... the law or act it comes under.. the correct procedure that councils should follow..... and so on


As a political leader Mr T you'd make a better mechanic :lol:
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MR T wrote:
Braveheart wrote:
What about templates, for example, that would allow drivers without any legal training to embark on launching there own action ? I would be willing to put something together
That would not be such a bad idea, each offence... the law or act it comes under.. the correct procedure that councils should follow..... and so on


As a political leader Mr T you'd make a better mechanic :lol:
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The last thing I would ever want.. would be.. to be a political leader.... I leave that to people like yourself..... but then wanting is one thing... achieving is not for you......

ps.. I only need to post once. :wink:

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Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
captain cab wrote:
MR T wrote:
I would never dream of telling you to stop fighting... But with Jim on your side.... you could well be doomed to failure......


I completely disagree.

Its refreshing to see the edinburgh two actually discuss something we all agree with, and I applaud them for it.

Its a more or less known fact that a good number councils are led by LO's who want nothing more than an easy life, they crave power, in many respects they are worse than the councillors, who admittedly are a pretty poor bunch.

As if councillors didnt have enough contempt for the taxi trade......they delegate their powers to a bunch of people who despise us even more.

Dare I mention the corporate complaints made in Merseyside recently about the lack of action / stupid decisions made?

I am fast coming to the conclusion if we are to have any chance at all, we need to be governed by professionals, not licensing departments who see us as a hinderance.

CC
I am not quite sure what it is you disagree with... but then that is not unusual..... if you think somebody ranting and raging in a council chamber gives an advantage to your argument... then I can assure you it doesn't..... all it does is put a smile on the licensing officers face as he sees the Councillors turning against you.... in reality you have shot yourself in the foot ... not a very clever move...... corporate complaint is an extremely useful tool..... I wonder how many other association's take the fight straight to their faces and fight them with their own weapons... courts and lawyers are time-consuming and expensive.. if you win you lose... if you lose they win.... they use your money to fight you in court.... I much prefer to educate the Councillors whom from my own experience do not like being lied to by council employees..... but what do I know....


Are you mad? This is about supporting guys who have suffered as a consequence of their council abusing its powers. It has nothing to do with ranting and raging in council Chambers.

All I am asking for is, TDO to provide the facility to lend these guys some practical support.

This means that any individual or group that has fallen foul of their council, can be supported collectively by their colleagues, throughout the country, if they so choose.

These councils are shooting fish in a barrel. They have to be stopped. TDO, could be the mechanism to lend some real weight to their plight.

Do the math, TDO has nearly 2000 members, and how many more might become interested if they thought they could cause a change in the way councils treat cabbies?

The guys in Ashfield are just the tip of the sword, with the right support to wield that sword, councils abusing their powers could be stopped in their tracks. Everyone stands to benefit. :-|
No Gary I am not mad..... nor do I lose battles....... the taxi trade is littered with court cases..... crossing the trade thousands and thousands of pounds ..... and when they won it cost them even more........ But prove me wrong.... I can assure you I could live with that :wink:


The internet is changing everything Mr. T. It costs sweeties for millions of people to communicate up and down the country. If you have a network (TDO) of individuals with a shared vision and a consensus to protect their own interests. Connecting with other networks with the same or similar interests is not a problem. Two thousand members on TDO, could be fifty thousand by the end of the week. TDO, is a country, wide skeletal organisation, and a communications platform.

Organisation, communication, the mobilization of support, coordinated collective decision making - action. The only thing missing is the facility to support a worthwhile cause.

What we need is a flash response to council abuse. Collectively, it would cost peanuts to fight a council and win. Who gives a shi* how much it costs overall, it might only cost the individual supporting the cause buttons to make a huge change to his working conditions? To me, that's a price well worth paying to gain a little respect from council officials and Councillors.



Remember this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/de ... s-number-1
I have PM a reply to your PM.. you can put up if you like...

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Think about what could be achieved if the taxi trade used the technology in the same way? I'm not suggesting that we all descend on our local council's, but it's a thought. :shock:

http://news.scotsman.com/news/Capital39 ... 6475142.jp

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Skull wrote:
Think about what could be achieved if the taxi trade used the technology in the same way? I'm not suggesting that we all descend on our local council's, but it's a thought. :shock:

http://news.scotsman.com/news/Capital39 ... 6475142.jp


Problem is that first you have to recognise that a problem, or an injustice exists.

I'm not sure the bewildered herd can get over this first hurdle.

And that's what councils depend on.

They believe they're smart and we're stupid.

And, reading some of the guff emanating from this trade, kinda makes me think, with few exceptions, they may be right.

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