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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:45 am 
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“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.

The vast majority of Taxi drivers' have No Record to worry about, but the ones that do always come up with an argument like this..... strange that isn't it...



Well big fish why don’t you point to the part where I have it wrong?

Come on prove to all from your burgh how smart you are.

Oh and while you are at it why don't you apply the same standard to these guys


http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=561452006


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Bring on Trevor :lol:

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Skull wrote:
Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.

The vast majority of Taxi drivers' have No Record to worry about, but the ones that do always come up with an argument like this..... strange that isn't it...



Well big fish why don’t you point to the part where I have it wrong?

Come on prove to all from your burgh how smart you are.

Oh and while you are at it why don't you apply the same standard to these guys


http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=561452006


What's good for the goose....



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Bring on Trevor :lol:

Thursday, 13th April 2006..And there is me thinking that this is September 2007

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gusmac wrote:
MR T wrote:
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“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.

The vast majority of Taxi drivers' have No Record to worry about, but the ones that do always come up with an argument like this..... strange that isn't it...
.......and then they came for the plate barons......


Would you like to elaborate a little bit more...

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Skull wrote:
“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.


Yes, and with temporary suspensions cabbies can be deemed not a fit and proper person and then after a time period determined by councils can, lo and behold, become fit and proper again.

You couldn't make this up.

BTW They only get away with this nonsense because taxi trades are made up of forelock-tugging Mr T types who allow them to.


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Yeah thanks for the link. As I said enhanced disclosure, see below from that site.

This guidance only relates to Enhanced Disclosures

Enhanced Disclosures may contain ‘approved’ information. This is non-conviction information provided by the police from their local records. The Chief Police Officer in each force will decide what, if any, information to provide. The CRB will print this information on both the applicant’s and the Countersignatory’s copy.

Occasionally the Chief Police Officer may, if thought necessary in the interests of the prevention or detection of crime, release ‘additional’ information to the Countersignatory only, in the form of a separate letter.

Where the police issue a separate letter, the Countersignatory’s copy of the Enhanced Disclosure will contain the following words ‘Please refer to letter sent under separate cover’, printed under the ‘date of issue’ on the Disclosure.

Please note, the applicant’s copy of the Disclosure will not refer to this information. Please do not share this information with the applicant.

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MR T wrote:
gusmac wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.

The vast majority of Taxi drivers' have No Record to worry about, but the ones that do always come up with an argument like this..... strange that isn't it...
.......and then they came for the plate barons......


Would you like to elaborate a little bit more...


I thought it spoke for itself. I was refering you to my earlier post

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Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


The point being what is acceptable today may not be tomorrow. Injustice breeds injustice. You could be at the whim of these people like the rest of us, if we allow them to act in this way. You may find, as Martin Niemöller did, that when your turn comes to be treated unjustly there is nobody left to care.
A lesson we would all do well to remember.

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I agree people must stand up for themselves, but you always find that there are those that continuously spout off and do not a thing in reality, but at the same time always claime they are fighting for everyones best interests ,
when things need to be fixed the trade in my district stands together as one which we have done many times before.....

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I agree people must stand up for themselves, but you always find that there are those that continuously spout off and do not a thing in reality, but at the same time always claime they are fighting for everyones best interests ,
when things need to be fixed the trade in my district stands together as one which we have done many times before.....


I take it you mean fixed in YOUR interests.


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jasbar wrote:
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I agree people must stand up for themselves, but you always find that there are those that continuously spout off and do not a thing in reality, but at the same time always claime they are fighting for everyones best interests ,
when things need to be fixed the trade in my district stands together as one which we have done many times before.....


I take it you mean fixed in YOUR interests.


Unlike you St Jasper my first priority is always to my family. :oops:

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Please note, the applicant’s copy of the Disclosure will not refer to this information. Please do not share this information with the applicant.

So if the mush did show his copy to the court they still wouldn't have been any wiser on the issue. Which means to me that there was a conviction(s) or caution(s).

The council are not allowed to keep their copy of the CRB or any attached letter. I believe for no-more than 28 days.

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MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.

The vast majority of Taxi drivers' have No Record to worry about, but the ones that do always come up with an argument like this..... strange that isn't it...



Well big fish why don’t you point to the part where I have it wrong?

Come on prove to all from your burgh how smart you are.

Oh and while you are at it why don't you apply the same standard to these guys


http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=561452006


What's good for the goose....



:roll:



Bring on Trevor :lol:

Thursday, 13th April 2006..And there is me thinking that this is September 2007


What a stupid thing to say. What's wrong with all of us being subjected to the same standard?

I'll tell you why, the police officers union would not let it happen to one of theirs.

This is wee mans laws.


You Mr. T are a forelock tugger of the first order.

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Some stuff from the CRB website - the enhanced disclosure bit is sufficiently vague that it could just about cover iany nformation that the police hold on a person:

Standard Disclosure
This is primarily available to anyone involved in working with children or vulnerable adults, as well as certain other occupations and entry into professions as specified in the Exceptions Order to the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (ROA) 1974. Standard Disclosures show current and spent convictions, cautions, reprimands and warnings held on the Police National Computer. If the post involves working with children or vulnerable adults, the following may also be searched:

-Protection of Children Act (POCA) List
-Protection of Vulnerable Adults (POVA) List
-Information that is held under Section 142 of the Education Act 2002 (formerly known as List 99)

Enhanced Disclosure
This is the highest level of check available to anyone involved in regularly caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of children or vulnerable adults. It is also available in certain licensing purposes and judicial appointments. Enhanced Disclosures contain the same information as the Standard Disclosure but with the addition of any relevant and proportionate information held by the local police forces.

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Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.

The vast majority of Taxi drivers' have No Record to worry about, but the ones that do always come up with an argument like this..... strange that isn't it...



Well big fish why don’t you point to the part where I have it wrong?

Come on prove to all from your burgh how smart you are.

Oh and while you are at it why don't you apply the same standard to these guys


http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=561452006


What's good for the goose....



:roll:



Bring on Trevor :lol:

Thursday, 13th April 2006..And there is me thinking that this is September 2007


What a stupid thing to say. What's wrong with all of us being subjected to the same standard?

I'll tell you why, the police officers union would not let it happen to one of theirs.

This is wee mans laws.


You Mr. T are a forelock tugger of the first order.

Do you really think I am concerned in the slightest what you think.... and presenting a out of date news item was supposed to be clever....... carrie on slinging the mud it's what you do well.... :D

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MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
Skull wrote:
MR T wrote:
Skull wrote:
“Not a fit and proper person”

There is no definition of what a “fit and proper person” is, and no threshold at which point a person becomes unfit.

This is wee mans laws.

They only apply to people who have no real way to fight back. It’s about setting an example, and not about justice.

CRB checks might mention a lot of things but that doesn't make it real.

This is about inflicting punishment without having to prove a crime has been committed.

There is no burden of proof. You are in fact presumed guilty and you stay that way.

The vast majority of Taxi drivers' have No Record to worry about, but the ones that do always come up with an argument like this..... strange that isn't it...



Well big fish why don’t you point to the part where I have it wrong?

Come on prove to all from your burgh how smart you are.

Oh and while you are at it why don't you apply the same standard to these guys


http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=561452006


What's good for the goose....



:roll:



Bring on Trevor :lol:

Thursday, 13th April 2006..And there is me thinking that this is September 2007


What a stupid thing to say. What's wrong with all of us being subjected to the same standard?

I'll tell you why, the police officers union would not let it happen to one of theirs.

This is wee mans laws.


You Mr. T are a forelock tugger of the first order.

Do you really think I am concerned in the slightest what you think.... and presenting a out of date news item was supposed to be clever....... carrie on slinging the mud it's what you do well.... :D



You numpty: up here in Scotland complaints against the police have jumped by 150% in the last few months. The FOI report from 2006 is probably a conservative estimate.

The complaints procedure is now independent. How much I believe this is up for discussion.

I’ve not checked it out yet.

But what’s wrong with the same standard for the police?

Mr. T you are an ass*ole

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:30 am 
MR T wrote:
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I agree people must stand up for themselves, but you always find that there are those that continuously spout off and do not a thing in reality, but at the same time always claime they are fighting for everyones best interests ,
when things need to be fixed the trade in my district stands together as one which we have done many times before.....


I take it you mean fixed in YOUR interests.


Unlike you St Jasper my first priority is always to my family. :oops:


Another condescending post from Mr T.

Just goes to show you know nothing about me. In fact, you just know nothing.

BTW The St Jasper jibe was simply childish.


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