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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:08 pm 
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Does the passenger complain to Liverpool or Sefton

If he complains to Liverpool they can pass on the complaint to Sefton.

If he complains to Sefton they must deal with it as the accusation is against a driver licensed by Sefton.

Where the rudeness took part is irrelevant, even IMO if it was outside of the country.

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They have a TX and Don't get murdered, which they support.

Are you saying the E7, TW200 etc don't have screens? :?

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is that a serious comment? "typical liverpool" how can you typify 100s of thousands of people :? do you think all blacks are criminals and muslims are terrorists aswel.. you need to stop reading the daily mail mate.. its turned you into an ignorant nob job :roll:


I think Sussex is referring to the Liverpool taxi trade not Liverpudlians as a whole?

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Sussex definitely does not like Liverpudlians but what d'you expect coming from Brighton.... the gay capital of England.. Beirut

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Jd.. your way of posting is boring.... and how many hours have you been on this forum today, today, today, of course I know that a Sefton hackney officer has to follow up on a complaint no matter where the journey started or ended..... but I have not spent half a day typing away just to win a point. in fact while you were typing I was scrapping cabs , the scrap is now at £200 per metric torn... 600 pounds for a afternoon's work will do me , and stop trying to put words into my mouth.
now than if a Sefton licensing officer sees a Sefton private hire in Liverpool that is not conforming to its condition of Licence does that officer have the power at that time to remove the plate... (only another question)...... I hear the sound of bells calling.

ps.... I am quite good regarding insurance....... and feel free to contact say Norwich Union regarding whether it has been their policy to set the premium regarding were the vehicle is licensed rather than where the owner lives,.. in the case of Liverpool. :mrgreen:

http://www.whatson.com/goto/?type=radio ... __thursday

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A lot of Liverpool drivers have said to me that they cannot compete against a government subsidised private hire company. :wink:

Are you alluding to the fact that because Delta drivers are running at such a poxy low rate that they are being subsidized by my income tax via Income Support? :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

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A lot of Liverpool drivers have said to me that they cannot compete against a government subsidised private hire company. :wink:

Are you alluding to the fact that because Delta drivers are running at such a poxy low rate that they are being subsidized by my income tax via Income Support? :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:[/quote)
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpoo ... -20991733/


If you read this, Paul delta staff, say that Delta is the bigest TAXI FIRM IN THE WORLD . He is proberly right . If earnings were so bad, they simply would not be able to recruit drivers . So how the fuuk does he do it :?: :?: streetcars


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A lot of Liverpool drivers have said to me that they cannot compete against a government subsidised private hire company. :wink:

Are you alluding to the fact that because Delta drivers are running at such a poxy low rate that they are being subsidized by my income tax via Income Support? :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/05/29/sefton-taxi-firm-faces-city-cabs-fury-100252-20991733/


If you read this, Paul delta staff, say that Delta is the bigest TAXI FIRM IN THE WORLD . He is proberly right . If earnings were so bad, they simply would not be able to recruit drivers . So how the fuuk does he do it :?: :?: streetcars
Income Support ???

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A lot of Liverpool drivers have said to me that they cannot compete against a government subsidised private hire company. :wink:

Are you alluding to the fact that because Delta drivers are running at such a poxy low rate that they are being subsidized by my income tax via Income Support? :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/05/29/sefton-taxi-firm-faces-city-cabs-fury-100252-20991733/


If you read this, Paul delta staff, say that Delta is the bigest TAXI FIRM IN THE WORLD . He is proberly right . If earnings were so bad, they simply would not be able to recruit drivers . So how the fuuk does he do it :?: :?: streetcars
Income Support ???


If you have proof, report it.

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

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MR T wrote:
Jd.. your way of posting is boring


A convenient way of saying my posts have left you humbled, demoralised and void of answers.

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and how many hours have you been on this forum today.


Not many but enough to dismantle your bogus argument regarding private hire drivers.

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of course I know that a Sefton hackney officer has to follow up on a complaint no matter where the journey started or ended


Then why did you ask such a stupid question in the first place? And worse still, believing you had an answer to it.

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but I have not spent half a day typing away just to win a point.


You accused me of not answering your meaningless question, the one Sussex had already answered. I decided the best course of action would be to answer all your posts and correct each one as a matter of cause.

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in fact while you were typing I was scrapping cabs , the scrap is now at £200 per metric torn... 600 pounds for a afternoon's work will do me,


Considering your poor performance in the taxi licensing field I suggest scrapping cabs might be more to your liking.

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and stop trying to put words into my mouth.


I tried but most wouldn't fit.

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now than if a Sefton licensing officer sees a Sefton private hire in Liverpool that is not conforming to its condition of Licence does that officer have the power at that time to remove the plate... (only another question)...... I hear the sound of bells calling.


Why are you going from pillar to post? Cant you concentrate on the matter you raised?

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ps.... I am quite good regarding insurance....... and feel free to contact say Norwich Union regarding whether it has been their policy to set the premium regarding were the vehicle is licensed rather than where the owner lives,.. in the case of Liverpool.


No one questioned your prowess as an insurance aficionado we merely probed the formula which you conveniently left out. No doubt if there is a formula then there has to be a national league table of undesirable licensing areas. However I'm sure the man from the Pru will make an entrance sooner or later and put all our tiny minds at ease with a simple explanation of events?

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http://www.whatson.com/goto/?type=radio&station=citytalk&show=a_pete_price___thursday


I'm afraid that link doesn't work for me but if it leads to a scrap metal yard then I have to say that its a little premature and no doubt wishful thinking if you think I'm a candidate for the scrap heap.

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c) Not without the express permission of the hirer, smoke, eat or drink in the vehicle:



I take it the rules haven't caught up with the smoking ban yet?


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MR T wrote:
Income Support ???[/quote]



So you reckon 1400 drivers at Delta are all receiving Tax credit ! Or are
you saying they are all working, on the side ?

What ever, its alot better than the spurious insurance angle. As a reason to stuff them.


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c) Not without the express permission of the hirer, smoke, eat or drink in the vehicle:



I take it the rules haven't caught up with the smoking ban yet?


Well spotted. These conditions were written in 2001 so I suppose they could do with updating considering the smoking ban is now nearly a year old.

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If you have proof, report it.

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

Well I'm not sure what they are doing is illegal.

They are running at a third world rate, and because of that they aren't clearing a living wage, and due to that the drivers are fully entitled to receive state benefit.

I wonder if the radio and vehicle rental is at the same third world rate. :?

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Perhaps Mr T is unaware of what the Sefton conditions for private hire drivers say? Perhaps we should remind him? I suggest he takes particular note of the item in the very first condition which I highlighted.

At the end of these conditions it gives the councils stated policy of any breach. I'm sure Mr T will be only too willing to post their stated policy but if he fails to do so then I will do it for him.
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SEFTON, MBC PRIVATE HIRE DRIVERS' LICENCE CONDITIONS

I) CONDUCT: The dliver shall:

**a) At all times be clean and respectable in their dress & person & behave in a civil & orderly manner. **

b) take all reasonable steps to ensure the safety of passengers conveyed in. entering or alighting from the vehicle driven by them:

c) Not without the express permission of the hirer, smoke, eat or drink in the vehicle:

d) Not without the express consent of the hirer. play any radio or sound-reproducing equipment in their vehicle other than for the purpose of sending or receiving messages in connection with the operation of the vehicle,

e) At no time cause or permit the sound emitted from any radio/sound reproducing equipment in the vehicle which they are driving to be an annoyance/nuisance to any person, whether inside or outside the vehicle:

f) When requested to do so by a passenger, convey a reasonable quantity of luggage:

g) Afford reasonable assistance in loading & unloading the said luggage:

h) Afford reasonable assistance in removing said luggage from any house. railway station or place at which they may pick up or set down such persons.
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As promised here are the rest of the Sefton private hire conditions along with the possible penalty consequences. Mr T's bogus argument regarding private hire driver "accountability" has now well and truly been put to bed and found to be nothing more than a smoke screen of giant proportions.
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2) DRIVER'S BADGE AND LICENCE

i) Prior to using a Private Hire Vehicle the licensed Private Hire Driver shall deposit the Section 51 Private Hire Drivers licence issued by Sefton MBC with the owner of the said vehicle.

ii) When leaving the employ of a Private Hire Vehicle Proprietor the driver shall recover his/her licence from the Proprietor. [If the Proprietor has a complaint he/she may not retain the licence but must return the same to the licensing office within twenty four hours of the demand for its return together with a written complaint of the disputed matter. ]

iii) When driving for Private Hire purposes a driver must at all times keep his photo badge and licence number on display so that passengers in the vehicle can clearly confirm the status of a licensed driver to their satisfaction, Such badge must be produced to a Police Constable or Officer of the Council for inspection on demand,

3) PASSENGERS

The driver mast not convey or permit to be conveyed in a private hire vehicle, a greater number of persons than that prescribed in the vehicle licence. The prescribed number of passengers may be increased by one where two children under the age of twelve years are conveyed on the rear seating in the vehicle. The driver of a Sefton licensed vehicle shall only allow one person to be carried in the front of the vehicle beside the driver. This person shall not be a child under the age of twelve years.

4) LOST PROPERTY

Any driver of a Sefton MBC-licensed private hire vehicle shall after each hiring carefully search the vehicle (for any property left by any passenger or hirer. All such property must be deposited at a Merseyside Police Station within 48 hours of finding [unless reclaimed or returned to its rightful owner ] and a receipt must be obtained from the Officer accepting such property.

5) WRITTEN/RECEIPTS

The driver shall if required by the hirer of the vehicle provide a written receipt for any fare paid.

6) PROMPT ATTENDANCE

Every driver of a Sefton Licensed Private Hire vehicle who shall have agreed or who shall have been hired to be in attendance with the vehicle at an appointed time and place, unless delayed / prevented by some sufficient cause, shall punctually attend at such appointed time and place,

7) IDENTIFICATION PLATES

The driver of a Sefton licensed private hire vehicle shall not wilfully or negligently cause or suffer any private hire plate to be concealed from public view whilst the vehicle is being used for the purposes of private hire.

8 TAXIMETERS

If the private hire vehicle being driven by the driver is fitted with a taximeter, the driver shall not cause the fare recorded thereon to be cancelled or concealed until the hirer has had an opportunity to examine the meter and has paid the fare [or credit has been given].

9) FARE TO BE DEMANDED

The driver shall not demand from a hirer of a private hire vehicle a fare in excess of any fare previously agreed between the Operator and the hirer or if the vehicle is fitted with a taximeter and no previous agreement as to the fare, the fare shown on the face of the taximeter.

10) CONVICTIONS WRITTEN NOTIFICATION REQUIRED

The driver of a private hire vehicle must notify the Council in writing of any conviction recorded against them whilst the licence is in force, within seven days of receiving such a conviction.

11) CHANGE OF ADDRESS-WRITTEN NOTIFICATION REQUIRED

The driver of a private hire vehicle must notify the Council. in writing of any change of address within seven days of such change. The driver must also produce their private hire drivers licence to the Licensing Office for the change to be noted thereon.

12) RETURN OF LICENSE/BADGE

The driver of a private hire vehicle shall on ceasing to be licensed as a driver or when required to do so by an "Authorised Officer of the Council" return his licence and badge to the Licensing Office of the Council on demand.

13) VEHICLES PERMITTED TO BE DRIVEN FOR PRIVATE HIRE

The driver shall only drive vehicles which are licensed by the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton under section 48 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act of 1976, as amended.

14) SIGNS, SYMBOLS AND DISTINGUISHING MARKS

No lights, signs, plates. notices. symbols or letters whatsoever shall be displayed on in or from a Sefton- licensed private hire vehicle except for:

a) those specifically approved in the private hire conditions approved by the Council or:

b) those which are required to be carried or displayed by or under any local or general Act or any regulations made thereunder.

STATED POLICY ON CONVICTIONS IN RESPECT OF DRIVERS

In addition any offences or serious breaches of the licensing conditions committed in the course of Public/Private Hire employment are regarded as extremely serious matters.

Any breach of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847, the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act of 1976, the County of Merseyside Act 1980, The Road Traffic Acts and any other relevant local or national legislation, can result in the following:

DRIVER AND/OR PROPRIETOR

More than one offence

POSSIBLE PENALTY

Suspension/Revocation of Licence
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It must be great comfort, to all those Delta drivers who reside in Liverpool (rate payers). That liverpools legal department is advising the council on how best to change the law, to screw Delta . I think Mr Kelly said that they were going to London a third time . To lobby for a change in the Law, no dout highlighting the latest protest. Perhaps you can enlighten us Mr T .


To me the whole issue seems contrived because what it really boils down to is the fact that Liverpool licensing department cannot catch any private hire drivers illegally plying for hire in Liverpool. Whether that is down to the lawful behaviour of private hire drivers or the shear incompetence of Liverpool licensing we will never know?

I suspect the usual Merseyside suspects will toddle off down to London and submit the recently botched "meeting of minds" dogs dinner and say, "look here, this is what we want and considering we in Liverpool speak for all of the Taxi trade then you better deliver".

The failings of Liverpool licensing department and also Manchester, are blatantly obvious.

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