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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:20 am 
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The taxibuses may go away. However I doubt it.

If I were running the show, I would expand them even more, economies of scale and all that. Then I would diversify into other markets, perhaps even develop a hop on hop off Dolmus type service.

Then there's the extension into a Private Hire service. Wedding support vehicles, weekend excursions.

There there's the city centre shoppers sprinter. Or the car park link service, bringing every shopping area closer to every car park.


The potential of the taxibuses could be huge, because they have much to offer that taxis don't.

Rather than disappear, given the right business brain behind them, they could increase exponentially. Don't you think Renilson would know this?

The reality is that taxis exist, not because we demand they do, but because the council allows us to. That's why your 60 grand plate is such a precarious purchase.

You run with the hounds, they eventually bite you.




DELUSIONAL.

If you had a plate would you still feel this way.............silly me off course you would. #-o #-o


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saf wrote:
Skull wrote:
Btw Saf, I don't know what size you think Kevin Young is but he's bigger than me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Thats not true Garry is it,have you looked in the mirror lately. :lol:


This is all about you and your lack of courage Saf. I've seen it all before, plenty to say until you have to step up to the line. The plate issue is just a smokescreen. I don't think you even care.

The sad thing is the taxi trade is full of guys like you.



"The sad thing is the taxi trade is full of guys like you"

Yes, but give even more thanks that there is only one more like you. :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:42 pm 
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Perhaps you haven't noticed the £275,000 buses that drive through the night substantially empty? This hasn't caused a reduction in night services.




http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Bus-firm-to-axe-.4343696.jp

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• Lothian Buses wants to axe services 13, 20, 60, and Night Buses N11 and N27 by October 5.

• Major cutbacks are planned for the 12, 18, 24, 32, 42, N8, N16, N26, N30, N31 and N44 services.


not trying to take the p**s Jasbar but as you can see from last weeks papers the local bus company is feeling the pinch and is now cutting back some day services and night services during the week as its just not paying them to run it
mind you a pay cut might help :lol: :lol: :lol:


Seems we were a bit premature about this. Appears the fat lady hasn't started singing yet.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinb ... 4361545.jp


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:51 pm 
saf wrote:
jasbar wrote:
The taxibuses may go away. However I doubt it.

If I were running the show, I would expand them even more, economies of scale and all that. Then I would diversify into other markets, perhaps even develop a hop on hop off Dolmus type service.

Then there's the extension into a Private Hire service. Wedding support vehicles, weekend excursions.

There there's the city centre shoppers sprinter. Or the car park link service, bringing every shopping area closer to every car park.


The potential of the taxibuses could be huge, because they have much to offer that taxis don't.

Rather than disappear, given the right business brain behind them, they could increase exponentially. Don't you think Renilson would know this?

The reality is that taxis exist, not because we demand they do, but because the council allows us to. That's why your 60 grand plate is such a precarious purchase.

You run with the hounds, they eventually bite you.




DELUSIONAL.

If you had a plate would you still feel this way.............silly me off course you would. #-o #-o


You seem unable to understand that the interests of everyone in taxi trade are essentially the same.

The work depletes through competition from the council, that is restricting the competition to it, and we all suffer.

Get it thicko, we ALL suffer.

Second, you seem to think that a de-restricted trade would mean every driver would want a plate. This is just not the case. I reckon most are, and would be, happy to duck the responsibility and continue their existing arrangements working with another owner.

The difference is that they would be doing so at a reasonable rate. Not so, and they have the option to cut their cloth to their own needs through getting their own taxi. That can only be fair.

But you're happy that drivers are just slaves, canon fodder for greedy owners who set rentals wholly disproportionate to what the market says the rate should be. And now certainly, the rates are way too high in our recessed economic times.

You're not bright are you saf. That's why you hide behind your anonymity. You're ashamed of the incoherent thinking you display, the tripe you utter. You couldn't afford to be outed. Your ego couldn't handle the ridicule that would rain down on you.

At least the dynamic duo have the courage of their beliefs. And they sufficiently robust that they are only ignored, threats made or numpties like Shug Dopey vent their frustration by breaching every tenet of trade etiquette that's held up for years. But you don't mind your trade descending into the gutter, because rather than confront logic, common sense and commercial necessity, you'd rather touch your forelocks to a council that is stiffing you.

I pity you and your ilk. That's why you're irrelevant.


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jasbar wrote:

Seems we were a bit premature about this. Appears the fat lady hasn't started singing yet.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinb ... 4361545.jp


oh she will start singing thats for sure jim

lothian were going to cut services a few years back and BINGO up steps CEC with the funds to keep them going and now the have £0 in the pot to spare bye bye use your taxi cards time and rem there is no elections due but when there are BINGO we found the dosh :lol: :lol: :lol: well the people need to get to the polling stations :wink: :wink: :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:40 pm 
Perhaps, but elections are nearly three years away. And with no money these services look doomed.

Sounds like another demand indicator for more taxis eh?

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jasbar wrote:
saf wrote:
jasbar wrote:
The taxibuses may go away. However I doubt it.

If I were running the show, I would expand them even more, economies of scale and all that. Then I would diversify into other markets, perhaps even develop a hop on hop off Dolmus type service.

Then there's the extension into a Private Hire service. Wedding support vehicles, weekend excursions.

There there's the city centre shoppers sprinter. Or the car park link service, bringing every shopping area closer to every car park.


The potential of the taxibuses could be huge, because they have much to offer that taxis don't.

Rather than disappear, given the right business brain behind them, they could increase exponentially. Don't you think Renilson would know this?

The reality is that taxis exist, not because we demand they do, but because the council allows us to. That's why your 60 grand plate is such a precarious purchase.

You run with the hounds, they eventually bite you.




DELUSIONAL.

If you had a plate would you still feel this way.............silly me off course you would. #-o #-o


You seem unable to understand that the interests of everyone in taxi trade are essentially the same.

The work depletes through competition from the council, that is restricting the competition to it, and we all suffer.

Get it thicko, we ALL suffer.

Second, you seem to think that a de-restricted trade would mean every driver would want a plate. This is just not the case. I reckon most are, and would be, happy to duck the responsibility and continue their existing arrangements working with another owner.

The difference is that they would be doing so at a reasonable rate. Not so, and they have the option to cut their cloth to their own needs through getting their own taxi. That can only be fair.

But you're happy that drivers are just slaves, canon fodder for greedy owners who set rentals wholly disproportionate to what the market says the rate should be. And now certainly, the rates are way too high in our recessed economic times.

You're not bright are you saf. That's why you hide behind your anonymity. You're ashamed of the incoherent thinking you display, the tripe you utter. You couldn't afford to be outed. Your ego couldn't handle the ridicule that would rain down on you.

At least the dynamic duo have the courage of their beliefs. And they sufficiently robust that they are only ignored, threats made or numpties like Shug Dopey vent their frustration by breaching every tenet of trade etiquette that's held up for years. But you don't mind your trade descending into the gutter, because rather than confront logic, common sense and commercial necessity, you'd rather touch your forelocks to a council that is stiffing you.

I pity you and your ilk. That's why you're irrelevant.


As i said, "delusional",same argument Jim and still the same answer.
More taxi's less work,now who is the "thicko"
"NO UNMET DEMAND" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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jasbar wrote:
Perhaps, but elections are nearly three years away. And with no money these services look doomed.

Sounds like another demand indicator for more taxis eh?

:lol:


It will never happen and you know it :D
Less buses,a little more work for the hard working honest taxi driver. :wink:


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They should have stuck to buses and left taxi-buses to the taxi and PH trades.

Does anyone actually know how much their doomed to failure foray into the taxi-bus market has cost, going by their timetable there appears to be 95 departures per day from the city centre and only a few less from the Airport, 180+ journeys everyday, what an absolute waste of time and money.

For anything over one passenger it will likely be a lot cheaper in a normal Taxi, £9 for the first then £8 for the second and then £5 per person after that, so it could cost a group of seven £42 to get from the city centre to the Airport.

They call this innovation as well, and of course Jim you think the answer is for them to do everything they already do, given the right business orientated mind behind it, everything you suggested can or is already being done.

The sad fact is that these tram works and indeed the whole half a billion number 22 bus replacement was and is a disaster for this City, they should be mothballed until they can be afforded because one way or another the council taxpayer is going to have to pay for this act of civic vandalism.

If anyone feels the urge to explain to me how they think half a billion pounds can be justified in the current climate to replace a bus service feel free to tell me because so far I'm at an complete loss to explain the rational behind it.

Ditto the large amounts a taxpayers money used to pay for the night bus service that run mainly empty, it would be cheaper to pay for people to get Taxis or change the law on taxation to allow employers to then provide staff taxis or taxis for essential workers, lets face it they get tax on tax on tax with taxis.

One line is about as much use as a chocolate teapot, shame they never had the foresight to sustain our suburban rail network, those lines went to the same places as people wanted to go with comprehensive coverage of the city, the Victorians new how to do these things and they lasted well.

I curse this current bunch of inept half-wits,they seem to have turned superficiality into an art form. :?


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Bowling Alone wrote:
They should have stuck to buses and left taxi-buses to the taxi and PH trades.

Does anyone actually know how much their doomed to failure foray into the taxi-bus market has cost, going by their timetable there appears to be 95 departures per day from the city centre and only a few less from the Airport, 180+ journeys everyday, what an absolute waste of time and money.

For anything over one passenger it will likely be a lot cheaper in a normal Taxi, £9 for the first then £8 for the second and then £5 per person after that, so it could cost a group of seven £42 to get from the city centre to the Airport.

They call this innovation as well, and of course Jim you think the answer is for them to do everything they already do, given the right business orientated mind behind it, everything you suggested can or is already being done.

The sad fact is that these tram works and indeed the whole half a billion number 22 bus replacement was and is a disaster for this City, they should be mothballed until they can be afforded because one way or another the council taxpayer is going to have to pay for this act of civic vandalism.

If anyone feels the urge to explain to me how they think half a billion pounds can be justified in the current climate to replace a bus service feel free to tell me because so far I'm at an complete loss to explain the rational behind it.

Ditto the large amounts a taxpayers money used to pay for the night bus service that run mainly empty, it would be cheaper to pay for people to get Taxis or change the law on taxation to allow employers to then provide staff taxis or taxis for essential workers, lets face it they get tax on tax on tax with taxis.

One line is about as much use as a chocolate teapot, shame they never had the foresight to sustain our suburban rail network, those lines went to the same places as people wanted to go with comprehensive coverage of the city, the Victorians new how to do these things and they lasted well.

I curse this current bunch of inept half-wits,they seem to have turned superficiality into an art form. :?


I think the vast majority of people in Edinburgh don't want the trams and agree totally with you on the ridiculous amounts of money being spent for a service which you have pointed out already exists with the number 22 bus.
On the subject of the Taxibus as i have said before,"they will fail just like the ones before it".
It's people like Jim that put some of the blame on this service which as you have already stated is more expensive than using a taxi.
This idot of a man tells us now that,"the potential of the taxibuses could be huge because they have much more to offer that taxi's don't".
Another Homer Simpson moment from yours truly #-o


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They should have stuck to buses and left taxi-buses to the taxi and PH trades.

Does anyone actually know how much their doomed to failure foray into the taxi-bus market has cost, going by their timetable there appears to be 95 departures per day from the city centre and only a few less from the Airport, 180+ journeys everyday, what an absolute waste of time and money.

For anything over one passenger it will likely be a lot cheaper in a normal Taxi, £9 for the first then £8 for the second and then £5 per person after that, so it could cost a group of seven £42 to get from the city centre to the Airport.

They call this innovation as well, and of course Jim you think the answer is for them to do everything they already do, given the right business orientated mind behind it, everything you suggested can or is already being done.

The sad fact is that these tram works and indeed the whole half a billion number 22 bus replacement was and is a disaster for this City, they should be mothballed until they can be afforded because one way or another the council taxpayer is going to have to pay for this act of civic vandalism.

If anyone feels the urge to explain to me how they think half a billion pounds can be justified in the current climate to replace a bus service feel free to tell me because so far I'm at an complete loss to explain the rational behind it.

Ditto the large amounts a taxpayers money used to pay for the night bus service that run mainly empty, it would be cheaper to pay for people to get Taxis or change the law on taxation to allow employers to then provide staff taxis or taxis for essential workers, lets face it they get tax on tax on tax with taxis.

One line is about as much use as a chocolate teapot, shame they never had the foresight to sustain our suburban rail network, those lines went to the same places as people wanted to go with comprehensive coverage of the city, the Victorians new how to do these things and they lasted well.

I curse this current bunch of inept half-wits,they seem to have turned superficiality into an art form. :?


Spot on. And the half billion is supposed to replace only 15 buses.

And the revenue from those 15 buses is supposed to cover the operating costs and profits of the trams.

This stacks up to one hell of a subsidy from us.

Curious thing is, I don't see the trams threatening the taxi trade. because of the increased waiting times between services, coupled with the removal of competing bus services to encourage the trams to make a "profit", I can imagine trawling along the route picking up people sick to the back teeth of waiting.

In any case, who that can afford a 400 grand pad on the waterfront, is going to go walkabout around Edinburgh to get to the airport?

All of this is the problem when the servant assumes the role of the master and dictates to us. There's NO control over what these council officials do. Remeber the cosy little concordats. These guys are untouchable.

Democracy is an illusion.


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jasbar wrote:
Bowling Alone wrote:
They should have stuck to buses and left taxi-buses to the taxi and PH trades.

Does anyone actually know how much their doomed to failure foray into the taxi-bus market has cost, going by their timetable there appears to be 95 departures per day from the city centre and only a few less from the Airport, 180+ journeys everyday, what an absolute waste of time and money.

For anything over one passenger it will likely be a lot cheaper in a normal Taxi, £9 for the first then £8 for the second and then £5 per person after that, so it could cost a group of seven £42 to get from the city centre to the Airport.

They call this innovation as well, and of course Jim you think the answer is for them to do everything they already do, given the right business orientated mind behind it, everything you suggested can or is already being done.

The sad fact is that these tram works and indeed the whole half a billion number 22 bus replacement was and is a disaster for this City, they should be mothballed until they can be afforded because one way or another the council taxpayer is going to have to pay for this act of civic vandalism.

If anyone feels the urge to explain to me how they think half a billion pounds can be justified in the current climate to replace a bus service feel free to tell me because so far I'm at an complete loss to explain the rational behind it.

Ditto the large amounts a taxpayers money used to pay for the night bus service that run mainly empty, it would be cheaper to pay for people to get Taxis or change the law on taxation to allow employers to then provide staff taxis or taxis for essential workers, lets face it they get tax on tax on tax with taxis.

One line is about as much use as a chocolate teapot, shame they never had the foresight to sustain our suburban rail network, those lines went to the same places as people wanted to go with comprehensive coverage of the city, the Victorians new how to do these things and they lasted well.

I curse this current bunch of inept half-wits,they seem to have turned superficiality into an art form. :?


Spot on. And the half billion is supposed to replace only 15 buses.

And the revenue from those 15 buses is supposed to cover the operating costs and profits of the trams.

This stacks up to one hell of a subsidy from us.

Curious thing is, I don't see the trams threatening the taxi trade. because of the increased waiting times between services, coupled with the removal of competing bus services to encourage the trams to make a "profit", I can imagine trawling along the route picking up people sick to the back teeth of waiting.

In any case, who that can afford a 400 grand pad on the waterfront, is going to go walkabout around Edinburgh to get to the airport?

All of this is the problem when the servant assumes the role of the master and dictates to us. There's NO control over what these council officials do. Remeber the cosy little concordats. These guys are untouchable.

Democracy is an illusion.



The Council or Scottish Executive or whoever are just like Bairns....its their "Eyes are Bigger than their Belly" syndrome, they must have it no matter what the cost, then when they get it its left mostly unused........all bought with our bloody money at that. Money that'd better spent on a new Forth road Bridge before all cars crossing the forth will need to be Amphibious because the old bridge collapsed.


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prefer a tunnel myself.


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prefer a tunnel myself.


It would be cheaper to build,
the same at Sheriff hall roundabout, widening the dam thing wont help


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