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When in a whole climb out........ but if you like being in the whole them move it to somewhere where the sun shines..... this country is about to implode 8)

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When in a whole climb out........ but if you like being in the whole them move it to somewhere where the sun shines..... this country is about to implode 8)



I agree, the country's fecked, and things are getting tough, but hey, I've always been up for some fun :lol:

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Stewart Harding of diplomat said, "The National Private Hire Association represent over 400 private hire firms".

I suspect quite a few of those private hire firms are actually hackney carriage radio circuits or a combination of both hackney carriage and private hire. However, Stewart Harding believes the NPHA "represent", but do they represent you because they certainly don't represent me. The whole point of these recent exchanges is to determine just who they do represent and where they get their representative mandate?

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I think the NPHA works very well in respect of a 24 hour help-line, and very sound advice. As Toms says.

That said if one says they represent the views of the membership, then really they should consult.

However if that claim is never made, then no harm done. :wink:

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I think Bryan represents himself. The NPHA is a business and has membership from Operators and taxi associations.


Yes that's how I see it. The application form states "OPERATOR’S APPLICATION FORM". It then goes on to list various details such as company address etc and the number of vehicles operated by the company but it doesn't mention drivers.

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I ON BEHALF OF THE ABOVE COMPANY, WISH TO BE CONSIDERED FOR MEMBERSHIP OF THE NATIONAL PRIVATE HIRE ASSOCIATION

When it comes to consultations with the DfT or anyone else for that matter it would appear Private hire drivers have never given Mr Rolands a mandate to act on their behalf or have they? Have you given Mr Roland a mandate to act on your behalf? How was that mandate given and what was the process?

I think we can safely assume as you rightly say that the NPHA is a business and it has nothing whatsoever to do with being mandated by private hire drivers to act on their behalf.

No one is suggesting that Mr Rolands is not a competent fellow but a name is only a name and no way does it legitimise the non representation of those private hire drivers who one might perceive it represents.

I'm glad you joined this debate Tom because I know you subscribe to the NPHA but how does your membership affect your drivers, for instance they obviously have no input into the NPHA but what happens when their interests as drivers conflict with your own interest as an operator? Or don't you have any conflicts of interest?

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It does, I believe , have a board, but I haven't a clue who is on it.


So it has a board that is immune to the democratic process of election? In other words people are appointed to the board rather than elected?

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But I can say that membership fee is excellent value for money if you want expert advice on legal issues relating to the trade.Bryan recently gave me enough evidence and information to blow our district's new policy proposals right out of the water.


That's excellent news, what proposals did your council have in mind?

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As with any industry our size it is impossible for one voice to speak for all.


In order to speak for anyone you must first have a mandate and second you must have a democratic process that elects you as the spokesperson. I don't believe Mr Roland has been elected by anyone has he? However if I am wrong then perhaps someone will correct my observation?

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The NPHA is constantly asked for opinions and they are Bryan's interpretations of what he deems best.


Best for who? Private hire operators, Private hire drivers, private hire proprietors, Hackney carriage proprietors, hackney carriage drivers, hackney carriage radio circuit operators or licensing officers?

Each section of the trade has a different opinion in many areas of the workings of the taxi trade, that is why there is this great divide between hackney carriage and private hire. I think we should shine a brighter light on the NPHA and determine exactly who and what it actually represents? If indeed it represents anyone at all?

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Sorry I missed this post.

I can't sort out all different quotes as neatly as you have.

But I have never seen in print or heard Bryan say that he represents PH Drivers. As you say membership is for Operators or Associations(I dread you finding something about drivers).

Bryan regularly sends his membership email with news items and asks for feedback.

My issue was that the local council were claiming that they had to introduce WAV's by 2010 because of a DofT dictate. Bryan provedin no uncertain terms that this was wrong. Without Bryan I would have been driving a TX4 round for the next 20 years.

The LPHCA seems immune from the debate. They have the same set up exactly.

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Tom Thumb wrote:
The LPHCA seems immune from the debate. They have the same set up exactly.


Ok thanx for that Tom.

I was trying to clarify and confirm or not, whether the NPHA actually represented private hire drivers as an organisation. I think this thread has been helpful in providing information through comment that the NPHA does not as an organisation represent private hire drivers. I think that solves the mystery as far as I'm concerned and perhaps those organisations that do represent private hire drivers can now say that they are the only organisations that do.

I also think that private hire drivers should be made aware that the only thing that is going to help them achieve their aims is themselves.

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I also think that private hire drivers should be made aware that the only thing that is going to help them achieve their aims is themselves.

I think that applies to just about everyone and everything.

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Well here is a business opportunity for someone.

Set up the National Private Hire Drivers Association. Draw up some agenda that appeals to all and encourages individual drivers to cough up a few quid each year.

You can offer allsorts of advice, cheap insurance, tyres, deals on cars.

You will be soon invited to join this committee and that debate.

Problem is you will son find yourself going mad while listening to some loud idiots ramble on about something they can only see from their perspective.

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Problem is you will soon find yourself going mad while listening to some loud idiots ramble on about something they can only see from their perspective.

But if you do it via a forum, and don't charge anyone a bean, then you can, if you wish, just tell them to go f*** themselves.

Now there's an idea. :wink:

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An up-date on the Bournemouth situation. ](*,)

http://www.thisisdorset.net/display.var ... please.php

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A couple of points from that:

The police check being carried out after all other elements...Maybe interpreted as a delay in the information coming back, having been submitted bfore the commencement of any other elements.

The Btec is a training discipline which may be seen to be somewhat insulting to many. The NVQ is the assessment of standard achieved.

IMHO, an applicant should be subjected to the NVQ assessment and, if he/she is not up to standard, then be encouraged to take the Btec.

I believe this is where Bournemouth have gone wrong....Rather than say 'this is the standard; Do you reach it?' They have said 'we are going to train you to reach a standard which may be below your current standard.' I am getting a good response on this approach from our drivers....You don't have to do it but...Why not?

GA (and others)....Any [sensible] comments?


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GA (and others)....Any [sensible] comments?

Yes it dont apply to private hire :shock:


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A reply from MR Ellwood MP for Bournemouth when asked if he would help Mr Kirk

Thank you for your email. I very much sympathise with this case however I am aware of the frustration expressed by many constituents of getting into a taxi where the driver cannot speak English properly and therefore is not able to understand directions.
Could you suggest what can be done to reconsile the two positions?


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Could you suggest what can be done to reconsile the two positions?

Well surely if they are deficient in English then give them an English test, not months of a NVQ. :?

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A further reply from MR Ellwood MP

I will bring this issue up when I next meet the Council, but I am guessing their response will be that some test is needed to ensure a limited standard of english is spoken.
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You make a valid point that those who have been driving taxis for many years should perhaps be exempt from this.


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He is 100% right they should not be forced to do this


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