Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Wed Apr 29, 2026 9:33 am

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 137 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:31 pm
Posts: 12045
Location: Aberdeen
captain cab wrote:
Gusmac wrote:
So short of marrying a rich widow with plates or inheriting one, what other way is there to get your own plate in a restricted area, other than what I have already stated?


Go on a waiting list?


Are you having a laugh?
Go on a waiting list for years in the hopes that some kind soul will hand back a licence worth thousands, instead of flogging it on.
You may as well put your grandchildren's names down as they are born. They may just get a chance before they die.

How many names were on the waiting list in Edinburgh before it was closed?

captain cab wrote:
In a market that is manipulated by people who use the term 'quality control' instead of numerical restriction?

Isnt putting an age limit on a vehicle and stating what type of vehicle must be licensed and then saying its 'quality control' equally as discriminating financially to a person who has little in terms of finances?

Discriminatory? - Yes. Equally? - No.
Local rules regarding vehicle choice are a joke also.
Yet many councils do this as well as restricting numbers.
Doesn't that make them even more discriminatory?

captain cab wrote:
Gusmac wrote:
You can already drive what you want in some areas and you can charge what you like - up to the amount on your meter or whatever you like if your fare begins or ends outside your area.
So most of this you can already do, depending on the wisdom of your council, of course


Nope, I'm on about when demand is high charging what I like....if were going to have no restrictions then let us have no restrictions.


I didn't say I wanted an end to all restrictions - Just the restrictions on licence numbers.
Only a complete fool would want a total free-for-all.

I believe licences should be held by drivers as a tool of their trade, not held by speculators or carpet-baggers as a cash cow or investment.
Licences should be available equally to anyone prepared to meet the required standards.
Not bought and sold and rented out by the "I was here first" brigade as a nice little earner.

I also believe councils should not be dictating what type vehicle can be used. This should be decided nationally and applied equally to all areas and all taxi licences.

_________________
Image
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ http://www.newsnetscotland.com/
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
MR T wrote:
ALI T wrote:
oh and btw trev old bean just so thier no doubt of youre intent and desperation in these maters let me make it clear on what i know as fact.
i have seen copies of pm,s that you sent some edinburgh drivers a few years ago trying to incite violence towards certain peoples property in edinburgh.
best bear these things in mind before you blow another gasket,on that old banger that you mistake for a mind. :lol:


Hello Alastair,.... hope you're daughter is keeping well, I would never make threats, or advise people to damage your property, if I intended you harm... it would just happen. so stop lying.... sorry I forgot.. you can't.. :shock:

my kids doing fine thanks,pity your concern is not sincere.
but thats just you eh..trev the nice guy :lol: :lol:
and yes you did try to incite violence against me/or my property trev you know it and i can prove it.

mind you! youre doing a decent job of proving it youreself

how? you ask??
dead simple trev, i didnt say you threatened me did i ??? :shock: :shock:
as for any real threat trev i know youre full of [edited by admin] "it would just happen"
dream on c'mon get real.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
MR T wrote:
gusmac wrote:
GA wrote:

But they do have a choice ............................ they can buy a plate.



Joiners, Plumbers and Electricians can work for themselves once qualified, without having to pay an exhorbatant sum for the privilege.
Why should taxi drivers be any different?


So if you built up a plumbers firm.. you would just give it away to the first person who asks...

but no one is stopping a plunber from doing this are they.

the restriction of licence to operate is the difference and you know it so why prattle on like this hasnt been debated for years already.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
like when a plumber passes his final exam he has to sign sommit to say he can only work if he pays another qualified plumber x amount per week,or a lump sum of x amount.
when you look at it like that you see how ridiculous it really is.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:11 pm
Posts: 8119
Location: A Villa in Aston NO MORE!
ALI T wrote:
like when a plumber passes his final exam he has to sign sommit to say he can only work if he pays another qualified plumber x amount per week,or a lump sum of x amount.
when you look at it like that you see how ridiculous it really is.


And the plumber just substitutes his rip-off Corgi annual registration fee instead.

£2,000 per annum last I heard.

_________________
Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:31 pm
Posts: 12045
Location: Aberdeen
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
ALI T wrote:
like when a plumber passes his final exam he has to sign sommit to say he can only work if he pays another qualified plumber x amount per week,or a lump sum of x amount.
when you look at it like that you see how ridiculous it really is.


And the plumber just substitutes his rip-off Corgi annual registration fee instead.

£2,000 per annum last I heard.

Corgi registration is only a requirement for gas fitters.
As far as I am aware they don't restrict numbers.
I don't suppose a corgi installer can rent out or sell their registration either.

_________________
Image
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ http://www.newsnetscotland.com/
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:11 pm
Posts: 8119
Location: A Villa in Aston NO MORE!
gusmac wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
ALI T wrote:
like when a plumber passes his final exam he has to sign sommit to say he can only work if he pays another qualified plumber x amount per week,or a lump sum of x amount.
when you look at it like that you see how ridiculous it really is.


And the plumber just substitutes his rip-off Corgi annual registration fee instead.

£2,000 per annum last I heard.

Corgi registration is only a requirement for gas fitters.
As far as I am aware they don't restrict numbers.
I don't suppose a corgi installer can rent out or sell their registration either.


But they work in a FREE MARKET; they set their own charges.

The cab trade DOES NOT, although we are told that in de-restricted LAs market forces will prevail. But they will only prevail in a free market. The cab trade only has half of the components of a free market & therefore market forces will be twisted, warped, distorted.

But in a free market, everything to do with costs & prices has to be completely unregulated, otherwise you do not have a free market, where market forces can prevail.

And that is the rub. The cab trade is being hoodwinked by politicians into believing that in de-restricted LAs there is a free market, where market forces will prevail.

Rubbish, there isn't.

But there is in the PH trade, because their fares are completely unregulated.

_________________
Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:31 pm
Posts: 12045
Location: Aberdeen
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The cab trade is being hoodwinked by politicians into believing that in de-restricted LAs there is a free market, where market forces will prevail.

Rubbish, there isn't.


I agree.

As I stated earlier I don't want a free market.
Nor do I want one where first in has the lion's share and everyone else grafts for the leftovers - all arranged by the local council.
Why should newer drivers have to wet the beaks of the greedy just to make a living?

Deregulated fares or not, the law of supply and demand would still apply.
If you want to cut your prices you can already. You don't need deregulated fares to do that.
The only thing you can't do is charge over the odds. Why you should want to I don't know.

_________________
Image
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ http://www.newsnetscotland.com/
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:11 pm
Posts: 8119
Location: A Villa in Aston NO MORE!
gusmac wrote:
Deregulated fares or not, the law of supply and demand would still apply.
If you want to cut your prices you can already. You don't need deregulated fares to do that.
The only thing you can't do is charge over the odds. Why you should want to I don't know.


Because that is a free market. When supply of a commodity or service is plentiful, that commodity or service is cheap. And when it is scarce the price goes up.

That's what happens to most PH hirings on a Friday & Saturday night!

And if you price yourself too high, you loose the fare.

That's a free market operating to market forces.

But what we have is a pseudo free market supposedly operating to pseudo market forces with cost & price restrictions all round.

_________________
Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:31 pm
Posts: 12045
Location: Aberdeen
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Deregulated fares or not, the law of supply and demand would still apply.
If you want to cut your prices you can already. You don't need deregulated fares to do that.
The only thing you can't do is charge over the odds. Why you should want to I don't know.


Because that is a free market. When supply of a commodity or service is plentiful, that commodity or service is cheap. And when it is scarce the price goes up.

That's what happens to most PH hirings on a Friday & Saturday night!

And if you price yourself too high, you loose the fare.

That's a free market operating to market forces.

But what we have is a pseudo free market supposedly operating to pseudo market forces with cost & price restrictions all round.


and that is worse than Mr T's restricted market because....?

Do you want a completely free market?

_________________
Image
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ http://www.newsnetscotland.com/
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
Brummie Cabbie wrote:

But they work in a FREE MARKET; they set their own charges.

The cab trade DOES NOT, although we are told that in de-restricted LAs market forces will prevail. But they will only prevail in a free market. The cab trade only has half of the components of a free market & therefore market forces will be twisted, warped, distorted.

But in a free market, everything to do with costs & prices has to be completely unregulated, otherwise you do not have a free market, where market forces can prevail.

And that is the rub. The cab trade is being hoodwinked by politicians into believing that in de-restricted LAs there is a free market, where market forces will prevail.

Rubbish, there isn't.

But there is in the PH trade, because their fares are completely unregulated.


Was actually the point I was driving at.....we have regulation even in deregulated areas...the market is warped.

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:31 pm
Posts: 12045
Location: Aberdeen
captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:

But they work in a FREE MARKET; they set their own charges.

The cab trade DOES NOT, although we are told that in de-restricted LAs market forces will prevail. But they will only prevail in a free market. The cab trade only has half of the components of a free market & therefore market forces will be twisted, warped, distorted.

But in a free market, everything to do with costs & prices has to be completely unregulated, otherwise you do not have a free market, where market forces can prevail.

And that is the rub. The cab trade is being hoodwinked by politicians into believing that in de-restricted LAs there is a free market, where market forces will prevail.

Rubbish, there isn't.

But there is in the PH trade, because their fares are completely unregulated.


Was actually the point I was driving at.....we have regulation even in deregulated areas...the market is warped.

CC


It is difficult to think of any legal business that isn't regulated in some way.

_________________
Image
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ http://www.newsnetscotland.com/
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:11 pm
Posts: 8119
Location: A Villa in Aston NO MORE!
gusmac wrote:
And that is worse than Mr T's restricted market because....?

Do you want a completely free market?


My point was, you either have a restricted market as Mr T suggests, or you have a completely free market.

But the notion of being told that de-restriction is a 'market forces will prevail' situation is nonsense, because the legislators only want to give the cab trade those components of a free market theory (because that is what it is, just a theory) that they are willing to give us & then call it market forces.

And the best thing is that the cab trade, by & large, have swallowed that idea, which is incomplete.

Me personally? I think that if the legiislators are not prepared to give the cab trade all the other components of a free market trade, then the only way forward, with those restrictions, & that is what they are, is for a system of controlled growth in the cab trade.

By that I mean the system that Manchester & Bristol now have; issue plates when a survey shows they are required in the numbers identified by a survey & have an annual survey.

_________________
Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
gusmac wrote:
And that is worse than Mr T's restricted market because....?

Do you want a completely free market?


My point was, you either have a restricted market as Mr T suggests, or you have a completely free market.

But the notion of being told that de-restriction is a 'market forces will prevail' situation is nonsense, because the legislators only want to give the cab trade those components of a free market theory (because that is what it is, just a theory) that they are willing to give us & then call it market forces.

And the best thing is that the cab trade, by & large, have swallowed that idea, which is incomplete.

Me personally? I think that if the legiislators are not prepared to give the cab trade all the other components of a free market trade, then the only way forward, with those restrictions, & that is what they are, is for a system of controlled growth in the cab trade.

By that I mean the system that Manchester & Bristol now have; issue plates when a survey shows they are required in the numbers identified by a survey & have an annual survey.


=D>

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:26 pm
Posts: 8529
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
gusmac wrote:
And that is worse than Mr T's restricted market because....?

Do you want a completely free market?


My point was, you either have a restricted market as Mr T suggests, or you have a completely free market.

But the notion of being told that de-restriction is a 'market forces will prevail' situation is nonsense, because the legislators only want to give the cab trade those components of a free market theory (because that is what it is, just a theory) that they are willing to give us & then call it market forces.

And the best thing is that the cab trade, by & large, have swallowed that idea, which is incomplete.

Me personally? I think that if the legiislators are not prepared to give the cab trade all the other components of a free market trade, then the only way forward, with those restrictions, & that is what they are, is for a system of controlled growth in the cab trade.

By that I mean the system that Manchester & Bristol now have; issue plates when a survey shows they are required in the numbers identified by a survey & have an annual survey.



=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

_________________
Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 137 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 244 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group