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| Author: | Stationtone [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | taxi ruling puts up to 100 city dealership jobs at risk. |
UP to 100 jobs in Glasgow are at risk after councillors refused permission for new wheelchair accessible taxis to operate in the city. John Paton and Son, Scotland's main dealership in London-style black cabs, were told people carrier-style vehicles could be mistaken for private hire cars. With Patons, once owned by the late Rangers chairman John Paton and now run by his son William, set to lose the franchise to sell traditional LTI hackneys next July, the decision has placed the future of the company's Glasgow operations at risk. William Paton said: "As this decision prevents a substitute vehicle we intended to sell being licensed in Glasgow, it puts the future of 100 members of staff in the city in jeopardy. " At the same meeting, councillors approved a similar vehicle for use by the private hire trade, including Network Private Hire, which has been in the spotlight recently after being tipped to win a £2million contract from the city's health board despite police objections. Network, which once had its offices raided by police investigating links with organised crime, intends putting 60 wheelchair accessible VW Caddy Maxi Life cars on the road. The private hire firm insists all drivers would be trained in how to use the new vehicles and help disabled passengers. At an often tense meeting of the council's licensing committee, William Paton made the case for a specially-adapted Mercedes Vito to be added to the list of approved vehicles which are permitted to operate as taxis and private hire cars in Glasgow. He said London, Manchester and Birmingham approved the vehicles and pointed out dozens of similar taxis already operated as black cabs in Glasgow. But the council wants to keep a distinction between the private hire and taxi trades to prevent private hire drivers illegally picking up passengers in the street. The committee voted against licensing the Mercedes Vito on the grounds passengers could be misled as to which category it was. Councillor William O'Rourke, who chaired the meeting, said: "I happened to vote in favour of the applicant but unfortunately it didn't go that way in the end." |
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| Author: | dagger [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:32 pm ] |
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They wonder why there's an atmosphere between Hacks and private hire. Unless every PH has one of these vehicle's then it's just impracticle. A driver who has one will be instucted to drive possibly from any distance to pick up the disabled passenger to do a 3 quid fare. If the driver is self employed and refuses the request because he's just dropped of 10 miles away and the system is on a computerized time system then about 200 cars could get assigned to the job before one of these vehicles turns up, wheras the customer could see the hachney on a rank and be on their way. |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: taxi ruling puts up to 100 city dealership jobs at risk. |
stationtone wrote: UP to 100 jobs in Glasgow are at risk after councillors refused permission for new wheelchair accessible taxis to operate in the city.
John Paton and Son, Scotland's main dealership in London-style black cabs, were told people carrier-style vehicles could be mistaken for private hire cars. With Patons, once owned by the late Rangers chairman John Paton and now run by his son William, set to lose the franchise to sell traditional LTI hackneys next July, the decision has placed the future of the company's Glasgow operations at risk. William Paton said: "As this decision prevents a substitute vehicle we intended to sell being licensed in Glasgow, it puts the future of 100 members of staff in the city in jeopardy. " At the same meeting, councillors approved a similar vehicle for use by the private hire trade, including Network Private Hire, which has been in the spotlight recently after being tipped to win a £2million contract from the city's health board despite police objections. Network, which once had its offices raided by police investigating links with organised crime, intends putting 60 wheelchair accessible VW Caddy Maxi Life cars on the road. The private hire firm insists all drivers would be trained in how to use the new vehicles and help disabled passengers. At an often tense meeting of the council's licensing committee, William Paton made the case for a specially-adapted Mercedes Vito to be added to the list of approved vehicles which are permitted to operate as taxis and private hire cars in Glasgow. He said London, Manchester and Birmingham approved the vehicles and pointed out dozens of similar taxis already operated as black cabs in Glasgow. But the council wants to keep a distinction between the private hire and taxi trades to prevent private hire drivers illegally picking up passengers in the street. The committee voted against licensing the Mercedes Vito on the grounds passengers could be misled as to which category it was. Councillor William O'Rourke, who chaired the meeting, said: "I happened to vote in favour of the applicant but unfortunately it didn't go that way in the end." Just out of curiosity...would it be legal to buy a black cab and use it as a PH vehicle (with a blacked out taxi sign)...you can buy them for private driving...if so that would b*gger up there arguments... |
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| Author: | tx_op [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:42 pm ] |
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You cannot present an LTI black cab for testing as a Private Hire because of the distinctive look of the vehicle. On the other hand, Dundee has numerous conversions operating as PH's and hackneys but, then again, we also have numerous t*ts operating as Councillors !!! |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:20 pm ] |
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Quote: The committee voted against licensing the Mercedes Vito on the grounds passengers could be misled as to which category it was.
I would have thought that was obvious one has a taxi sign
Another judicial review could be on the cards
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:04 pm ] |
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If those councillors think the good folks of Glasgow are too thick to see a taxi sign, then why didn't they say so. If I was Patons I would move out and tell Glasgow Council where they can poke their rules. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:14 pm ] |
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Working to Glasgow Councils rules in Carlisle we wouldn't have a single PHV.
CC |
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| Author: | Saltmarket [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:14 pm ] |
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It's not just Glasgow CC either; Patons was more or less held to ransom by the hack trade in Glasgow a while ago. They offered to build something called a ScotCab which was a PH-WAV. The hack trade threatened to boycott them if they did and they had to climb down or lose all the hack business. |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:26 pm ] |
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I wonder if Paton's could turn the table on the council by only selling hack versions, I am sure they could also contact and other sales outlets and ask them not to supply to anyone in Glasgow |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:43 pm ] |
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captain cab wrote: Working to Glasgow Councils rules in Carlisle we wouldn't have a single PHV.
CC Im just a bit slow here tonight but how do you work that one out? I thought it was just the Taxi guys that glasgow were dictating vehicle types to..would that affect PHVs? |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:38 pm ] |
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bloodnock wrote: captain cab wrote: Working to Glasgow Councils rules in Carlisle we wouldn't have a single PHV. CC Im just a bit slow here tonight but how do you work that one out? I thought it was just the Taxi guys that glasgow were dictating vehicle types to..would that affect PHVs? The 76 act down here states; 48 Licensing of private hire vehicles (1) Subject to the provisions of this Part of this Act, a district council may on the receipt of an application from the proprietor of any vehicle for the grant in respect of such vehicle of a licence to use the vehicle as a private hire vehicle, grant in respect thereof a vehicle licence: Provided that a district council shall not grant such a licence unless they are satisfied— (a) that the vehicle is— (i) suitable in type, size and design for use as a private hire vehicle; (ii) not of such design and appearance as to lead any person to believe that the vehicle is a hackney carriage; (iii) in a suitable mechanical condition; (iv) safe; and (v) comfortable; (b) that there is in force in relation to the use of the vehicle a policy of insurance or such security as complies with the requirements of [Part VI of the Road Traffic Act 1988], and shall not refuse such a licence for the purpose of limiting the number of vehicles in respect of which such licences are granted by the council. |
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| Author: | Saltmarket [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:26 pm ] |
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captain cab wrote: bloodnock wrote: captain cab wrote: Working to Glasgow Councils rules in Carlisle we wouldn't have a single PHV. CC Im just a bit slow here tonight but how do you work that one out? I thought it was just the Taxi guys that glasgow were dictating vehicle types to..would that affect PHVs? The 76 act down here states... All well and good CC but if they're licencing one type of vehicle and not the other it seems a little suspicious to me. I mean how the hell do you mistake a Mercedes Vito people carrier for a BH and how is a VW Caddy so much different that it can't be mistaken for a BH. I think they're being unreasonable or someone's palm has been well and truly greased. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:59 pm ] |
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Saltmarket wrote: All well and good CC but if they're licencing one type of vehicle and not the other it seems a little suspicious to me. I mean how the hell do you mistake a Mercedes Vito people carrier for a BH and how is a VW Caddy so much different that it can't be mistaken for a BH. I think they're being unreasonable or someone's palm has been well and truly greased. That maybe so, but unless the decision is appealed, we will not know. CC |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:15 am ] |
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captain cab wrote: Working to Glasgow Councils rules in Carlisle we wouldn't have a single PHV.
CC Im still confused....surely if they say a PH cannot look like a taxi then the Taxi should at least be the traditional london black cab style vehicle which is known the world over.. wheres the gripe, why penalise both Hacks and PH with such a daft rule, even if all hacks in glasgow were flourescent yellow with purple spots on, some idiot half jaked would still try and climb into a loitering blue Tuk Tuk thinking it was a Taxi. its the punter they want to educate rather as force such a buggerance on the Taxi or PH trade. |
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| Author: | tx_op [ Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:07 am ] |
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Saltmarket wrote: It's not just Glasgow CC either; Patons was more or less held to ransom by the hack trade in Glasgow a while ago. They offered to build something called a ScotCab which was a PH-WAV. The hack trade threatened to boycott them if they did and they had to climb down or lose all the hack business.
From forthcoming Licensing meeting on Thurs 1st October... (b) APPROVED LIST OF ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES - ADDITION TO LIST It is reported that the Scudo 2 presented by Scotcab has been assessed by the Plant and Vehicle Officer and the Cabs Enforcement Officers and that having received appropriate certificate, they would recommend that this vehicle be added to the list of accessible vehicles. Yet another of the 57 varieties from DCC... Beanz meanz mince !! |
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