Taxi Driver Online :: View topic - What does Edinburgh's restriction really achieve?

1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.

Dundee has know restriction and we still have all those problems.

Deregulation leads to less competition......not more......example....Carlisle
Deregulation leads to less ranking space..not more.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to higher fares......not lower.......example.....Carlisle
Deregulation leads to lower wages......not more......examples....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to longer hours......not less.....examples....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to greater pollution.....not less......example.....Nottingham
Deregulation leads to increased congestion......not less......examples......Carlisle, Ashfield, Tendring, Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff
Deregulation leads to less enforcement......not more.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to lower standards.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to lower public safety.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area

Deregulation leads to less competition......not more......example....Carlisle
Deregulation leads to less ranking space..not more.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to higher fares......not lower.......example.....Carlisle
Deregulation leads to lower wages......not more......examples....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to longer hours......not less.....examples....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to greater pollution.....not less......example.....Nottingham
Deregulation leads to increased congestion......not less......examples......Carlisle, Ashfield, Tendring, Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff
Deregulation leads to less enforcement......not more.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to lower standards.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to lower public safety.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area

Well said CC
My point is Jasbar alias Taylor spouts his own illusional pash but when someone with a much higher superior knowledge of the Trade counters his pash he (jasbar) suddenly swerves away from the FACTS, and the Fact is de-restriction or de-regulation does not work in a restricted market

captain cab wrote:

Deregulation leads to less competition......not more......example....Carlisle
Deregulation leads to less ranking space..not more.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to higher fares......not lower.......example.....Carlisle
Deregulation leads to lower wages......not more......examples....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to longer hours......not less.....examples....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to greater pollution.....not less......example.....Nottingham
Deregulation leads to increased congestion......not less......examples......Carlisle, Ashfield, Tendring, Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff
Deregulation leads to less enforcement......not more.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to lower standards.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area
Deregulation leads to lower public safety.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area

Private Reggie wrote:

so DE-restriction doesn't work in a restricted market eh Dougie thanks for letting us in on that big secret we would never have known.
:lol:

i always wondered why my jet ski didn't work on the roads now i know! thanks to Dougie's logic lessons :roll:

Author:	Jasbar [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:34 pm ]
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1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them. 2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods. 3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety. 4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires. 5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive. 6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for. 7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off. 8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment. 9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law. 10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.

Author:	Stationtone [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:21 pm ]
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Dundee has know restriction and we still have all those problems.I was all for the door being opened but if i new then what i know now i would want to keep a limit.

Author:	dug [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:28 pm ]
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and there you have it from the horses mouth jasper but do you listen nope

Author:	Stationtone [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:48 pm ]
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Do not take my word for it look at the situation in Dublin http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0305/taxi.html If Dundee had kept the one out one in policy i think we would have accepted that. Especially if they had clamped down on hire plates.

Author:	tx_op [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:06 pm ]
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Jasbar wrote: 1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them. 2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods. 3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety. 4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires. 5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive. 6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for. 7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off. 8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment. 9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law. 10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers. So what does de-restriction do ?? Enable new plate holders to hire out the cab and plate on 24/7 deals at farcical rates so they can sit in the pub and say " i've got a cab with 2 drivers" then on monday go back to their real job ! Hate profiteers. And probably all the above points allude to de-restriction too.... Or, if the plate has any value, it is punted to the highest bidder and, the leech who accquired it....is never to be seen in the Trade again !!! Sole employment or no Plate nor badge.. Hate part-timers too...School teachers, Social workers, Fire-fighters etc: And for selling on the Plate....if you achieved the above..the Trade would most certainly be a fruitful one that does not demand such an action in order to retire !!

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Author:	Stationtone [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:40 pm ]
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Tx you should calm down or you'll end up like Dunc You now my position, yet i still agree one plate one driver but case law says different.

Author:	gusmac [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:29 pm ]
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stationtone wrote: Dundee has know restriction and we still have all those problems. Not true tone. Dundee has a restricted clique of saloons, same as here.

Author:	captain cab [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:00 am ]
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Jasbar wrote: 1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them. 2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods. 3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety. 4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires. 5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive. 6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for. 7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off. 8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment. 9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law. 10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers. You dont half type some b*llocks Jimbob. CC

Author:	captain cab [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:16 am ]
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Deregulation leads to less competition......not more......example....Carlisle Deregulation leads to less ranking space..not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to higher fares......not lower.......example.....Carlisle Deregulation leads to lower wages......not more......examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to longer hours......not less.....examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to greater pollution.....not less......example.....Nottingham Deregulation leads to increased congestion......not less......examples......Carlisle, Ashfield, Tendring, Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff Deregulation leads to less enforcement......not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower standards.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower public safety.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area

Author:	Private Reggie [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:31 am ]
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captain cab wrote: Deregulation leads to less competition......not more......example....Carlisle Deregulation leads to less ranking space..not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to higher fares......not lower.......example.....Carlisle Deregulation leads to lower wages......not more......examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to longer hours......not less.....examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to greater pollution.....not less......example.....Nottingham Deregulation leads to increased congestion......not less......examples......Carlisle, Ashfield, Tendring, Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff Deregulation leads to less enforcement......not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower standards.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower public safety.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area Well said CC My point is Jasbar alias Taylor spouts his own illusional pash but when someone with a much higher superior knowledge of the Trade counters his pash he (jasbar) suddenly swerves away from the FACTS, and the Fact is de-restriction or de-regulation does not work in a restricted market

Author:	Jasbar [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:40 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: Deregulation leads to less competition......not more......example....Carlisle Deregulation leads to less ranking space..not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to higher fares......not lower.......example.....Carlisle Deregulation leads to lower wages......not more......examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to longer hours......not less.....examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to greater pollution.....not less......example.....Nottingham Deregulation leads to increased congestion......not less......examples......Carlisle, Ashfield, Tendring, Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff Deregulation leads to less enforcement......not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower standards.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower public safety.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area You seem to have an astonishining inability to pay attention CC. All you have quoted can happen, but it doesn't need to. That it may well have is entirely due to the trade's inability to take control and manage its own affairs. As in Dublin it may suit a local authority just to rip the cap off and let confusion reign. Dublin did so with no quality controls in place. That was stupid. It got the result it deserved and the trade, concentrating on trying to protect its vested interest false plate values, couldn't see what was happening. It was so busy weeping it couldn't see what needed to be done. Councils like Edinburgh have been aware of the problems associated with derestriction but, rather than realise the inevitable and prepare for it, they are stoically defending the indefensible. Private hire in Edinburgh has expanded 300% simply because drivers like me have been denied unfettered access to the tools of our trade. Had we had full access, PH would not be the problem today and certainly wouldn't be dictating a 30% reduction in tariff. In Edinburgh we already have some quality controls, I have long argued that these should be enhanced. In short CC your drivel is irrelevant. Your response was an ill considered knee jerk to an argument you've lost. BTW Dougie, you're just an erse, devoid of logic and who places your own greedy vested interest before that of customers. You could never operate in a competitive market, you have no commercial awareness. I sometimes wonder whether your mother knows that you're out BTW2 Many thanks to the "unworthy" who sent me the spoken text telling me I am a [edited by admin]. It was a good laugh, you must be in some real pain to have bothered, you must already know you've lost the argument and felt a need to show us all that you're hurting big tme.

Author:	ALI T [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:44 pm ]
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Private Reggie wrote: Well said CC My point is Jasbar alias Taylor spouts his own illusional pash but when someone with a much higher superior knowledge of the Trade counters his pash he (jasbar) suddenly swerves away from the FACTS, and the Fact is de-restriction or de-regulation does not work in a restricted market so DE-restriction doesn't work in a restricted market eh Dougie thanks for letting us in on that big secret we would never have known. i always wondered why my jet ski didn't work on the roads now i know! thanks to Dougie's logic lessons

Author:	Stationtone [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:35 pm ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMyOv9WO7ME be afraid

Author:	Private Reggie [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:53 pm ]
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Jasbar wrote: captain cab wrote: Deregulation leads to less competition......not more......example....Carlisle Deregulation leads to less ranking space..not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to higher fares......not lower.......example.....Carlisle Deregulation leads to lower wages......not more......examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to longer hours......not less.....examples....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to greater pollution.....not less......example.....Nottingham Deregulation leads to increased congestion......not less......examples......Carlisle, Ashfield, Tendring, Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff Deregulation leads to less enforcement......not more.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower standards.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area Deregulation leads to lower public safety.....not higher.....examples.....every deregulated area You seem to have an astonishining inability to pay attention CC. All you have quoted can happen, but it doesn't need to. That it may well have is entirely due to the trade's inability to take control and manage its own affairs. As in Dublin it may suit a local authority just to rip the cap off and let confusion reign. Dublin did so with no quality controls in place. That was stupid. It got the result it deserved and the trade, concentrating on trying to protect its vested interest false plate values, couldn't see what was happening. It was so busy weeping it couldn't see what needed to be done. Councils like Edinburgh have been aware of the problems associated with derestriction but, rather than realise the inevitable and prepare for it, they are stoically defending the indefensible. Private hire in Edinburgh has expanded 300% simply because drivers like me have been denied unfettered access to the tools of our trade. Had we had full access, PH would not be the problem today and certainly wouldn't be dictating a 30% reduction in tariff. In Edinburgh we already have some quality controls, I have long argued that these should be enhanced. In short CC your drivel is irrelevant. Your response was an ill considered knee jerk to an argument you've lost. BTW Dougie, you're just an erse, devoid of logic and who places your own greedy vested interest before that of customers. You could never operate in a competitive market, you have no commercial awareness. I sometimes wonder whether your mother knows that you're out BTW2 Many thanks to the "unworthy" who sent me the spoken text telling me I am a [edited by admin]. It was a good laugh, you must be in some real pain to have bothered, you must already know you've lost the argument and felt a need to show us all that you're hurting big tme. Re:Jasbar The point is Jim your views are so outdated it's starting to sound like you need someone other than SKULL to talk to, maybe a shrink will help I've said many times that if you had started your crusade before the PHC had expanded 300% you may have an argument but it's too late Jim give up the ghost of Taxi plates past, the PHC are here within our limited Edinburgh Taxi market, we the Taxi trade will just have to compete starting with a merged Taxi company (CC&CRT). The market in Edinburgh is not guaranteed it's economy driven, as you know there is a recession going on of which i believe is just hitting the street economy, cash business, yes us Cabbies Jim, all over this forum you read the pain you read the calls for a cap on licences but still you pursue your quest and in my and many others opinion, you are just out to WIN and screw everyone, you don't have any common sense or care when it comes to the current financial climate and financial implications that will occur to many within our trade in Edinburgh, you are a GUTTER SNIPER. As for no commercial awarenes well i'm content playing my game, i have and will continue to do well enough, it's also obvious though that i'm more commercially aware than you, i bought my plate and cab for £23,000 8 years ago (2 years rental up front) a further £27,000 on a brand new taxi 6+ years ago, total investment £50,000 and hey if i sold up now i'd get my money back, so you could say it would have cost me nothing to operate for the last 8 years and also saved myself 8 years of paying a rental, sorry Jim for that wee bit of commercial awareness oh and by the way you could recommend to your Tourist punters Taxy999tours My tours are offered within my BUSINESS premises, nothing to lose, no websites, just good old gift of the gab oh and a thank you very much SIR as i appreciate the gratuity handed. So how much rental have you paid over the years Jim? Owning or renting Jim!!! you get feckall back for renting Oh a bit like owning a house or renting a house, so come on MR commercially aware gutter sniper how much RENTAL have you paid? BTW my mother passed away just last year, still a sore one

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Author:	Private Reggie [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:01 pm ]
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ALI T wrote: Private Reggie wrote: Well said CC My point is Jasbar alias Taylor spouts his own illusional pash but when someone with a much higher superior knowledge of the Trade counters his pash he (jasbar) suddenly swerves away from the FACTS, and the Fact is de-restriction or de-regulation does not work in a restricted market so DE-restriction doesn't work in a restricted market eh Dougie thanks for letting us in on that big secret we would never have known. i always wondered why my jet ski didn't work on the roads now i know! thanks to Dougie's logic lessons Pleasure to be of service and eh if that's what you call your cab that's fine by me, i heard what davey called your other effort