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Author:  Caledonian Cabbie [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Don't read if bored by restricted numbers
Not sure why the earlier thread was locked, but I can't really see why, so I've responded in this new thread :D


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There would be little benefit to the public if the taxi they can get very easily is not maintained to a high and safe level because the owner quite simply does not earn enough money to safely maintain their vehicle.


Plenty of restricted areas have poor standard motors which don't fare well in spot checks.

Anyway, why don't you use your "it's an enforcement isssue" here, Toots?


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Congestion can cause angry drivers on the road who take risks and cause a danger to the public at large.


Well that's a problem everywhere, and what about drivers paying inflated rentals and servicing a loan for a plate?


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Over ranking is a problem in de-restricted areas.


How does allowing a jockey to drive his own car contribute to congestion?

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Cherry picking is a problem in de-restricted areas causing a shortage in supply at quiet times, thus, leaving customers to wait longer than normal periods for a taxi.


Where's the evidence for that? I suspect what it means is that owners used to lording it over drivers suddenly can't get them and the drivers can choose their own hours, so they're cherry picking, the basards!!


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Working long and unsafe hours is a problem in de-restricted areas.


Well I suspect around 5% of drivers in the UK combined trade (if that) benefit from restricted numbers, so not much of an argument.


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What of effect on users of PHV if all the drivers became taxi providers they could be left waiting long periods of time for the car to arrive.


Didn't you say PH numbers increased with delimitation and more HCs joinged circuits?

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I can't really comment as I haven't seen any evidence to support this.


Well the Edinburgh HC trade is always complaining about rising PH numbers and plates were changing hands for £30k about 10 years after restriction and rose to around £50k, although the recession has dampened things down a bit.

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The official crime figures for rape have shown no significant reduction in this crime throughout the UK. Neither do the unofficial figures. Since the figures cover the whole of the UK it would cover the de-restricted areas as well as restricted areas.


I can't see the relevance of this. You might as well use theft/robbery/burglary figures for the UK as a whole to say something muggings of taxi drivers in restricted areas, but that would be completely unscientific and irrelevant.
Author:  Frank Lay [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:37 pm ]
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Well I did read it,

And it WAS very boring.
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:50 pm ]
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Frank Lay wrote:
Well I did read it,

And it WAS very boring.

I found it highly enjoyable reading. :wink:
Author:  Frank Lay [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:15 pm ]
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Sussex,

I do hope you are being sarcastic.
:?

If anyone wants to know whether a cap is a good or a bad thing, you should check the derestriction section on this very forum. The answer is there.
Author:  toots [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:48 pm ]
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The official crime figures for rape have shown no significant reduction in this crime throughout the UK. Neither do the unofficial figures. Since the figures cover the whole of the UK it would cover the de-restricted areas as well as restricted areas.


I can't see the relevance of this. You might as well use theft/robbery/burglary figures for the UK as a whole to say something muggings of taxi drivers in restricted areas, but that would be completely unscientific and irrelevant.


Not so cos theft/robbery/burglary have their hotspots and it is easier to note where these things are more likely to happen this is not so the case with rape.

De-restriction does bore the pants of me (if I actually wore them) I personally don't see the problem with restriction if there is no unmet demand. What I will say is there are those in Edinburgh that bang the drum for de-restriction saying that plates are being sold and drivers are being prevented from having a plate. Yet when they are the lucky recipient of a 2nd or maybe a 3rd plate what do they do? Do they give it away to one of the less fortunate drivers, no they sell it, to prove a point. They only point they are proving is they have double standards and say one thing but do another
Author:  Skull [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:18 pm ]
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It all comes down to proper quality controls and the enforcement of regulation. There is absolutely no reason why a jokey, paying a rental, should be denied unfettered access to the tools of his trade.

Although there is, the little matter of taking control of your own trade?

Toots, you are the politicians dream. .. :roll:
Author:  toots [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:22 pm ]
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Toots, you are the politicians dream. .. :roll:


I take it by the way you rolled your eyes that you don't think that's a good thing :shock:
Author:  captain cab [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:22 pm ]
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Skull wrote:
It all comes down to proper quality controls and the enforcement of regulation. There is absolutely no reason why a jokey, paying a rental, should be denied unfettered access to the tools of his trade.


Apart from the fact theres two different licenses.

I like the way the wee Crank has taught you the word 'unfettered', how many bananas did that take?

CC
Author:  Skull [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:28 pm ]
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toots wrote:
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Toots, you are the politicians dream. .. :roll:


I take it by the way you rolled your eyes that you don't think that's a good thing :shock:



Tell me what you want to believe?


:-|
Author:  Caledonian Cabbie [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:30 pm ]
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toots wrote:
Not so cos theft/robbery/burglary have their hotspots and it is easier to note where these things are more likely to happen this is not so the case with rape.


But you can't use figures for all rape throughout the UK and draw conclusions about about taxi-related rape between restricted and undrestricted areas.

You're using figures from the extremely general to draw conclusions about the very particular.

By the way, I meant to say earlier that the DFT or OFT did the numbers on the driver safety/tiredness aspect between restricted and unrestricted areas and concluded there was no difference.


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De-restriction does bore the pants of me (if I actually wore them) I personally don't see the problem with restriction if there is no unmet demand. What I will say is there are those in Edinburgh that bang the drum for de-restriction saying that plates are being sold and drivers are being prevented from having a plate. Yet when they are the lucky recipient of a 2nd or maybe a 3rd plate what do they do? Do they give it away to one of the less fortunate drivers, no they sell it, to prove a point. They only point they are proving is they have double standards and say one thing but do another


Which has what to do with the principle generally?

Again, you're arguing against the general using the particular.

If a politician is displaying double standards then the voters should judge him/her on that, but that shouldn't affect the efficacy of policies and principles generally.
Author:  Caledonian Cabbie [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:32 pm ]
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Frank Lay wrote:
Well I did read it,

And it WAS very boring.


Well you were warned Frank, so presumably you just had a read so you could have a bitch about it.

In fact I'm not even convinced that you did read it :roll:
Author:  captain cab [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:35 pm ]
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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:

By the way, I meant to say earlier that the DFT or OFT did the numbers on the driver safety/tiredness aspect between restricted and unrestricted areas and concluded there was no difference.


Thats interesting, why did the OFT (I suspect) do that?

Do you know what their remit at the time actually was?

Are you aware of the transport select committees opinion of the investigation was?

CC
Author:  Skull [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:52 pm ]
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CC, writes:
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Are you aware of the transport select committees opinion of the investigation was?

CC



Well, :shock:
Author:  Caledonian Cabbie [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:54 pm ]
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captain cab wrote:
Thats interesting, why did the OFT (I suspect) do that?


Because people like Toots were claiming there was a link?

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Do you know what their remit at the time actually was?


Not precisely, but I'm all ears.

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Are you aware of the transport select committees opinion of the investigation was?


At a rough guess, I would say the same as your own.

But wasn't that the one where the MP who claimed to be an ex London cabbie didn't know what waiting time was :lol:
Author:  Skull [ Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:04 pm ]
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Caledonian Cabbie, is going to refute every point you may make blow, for blow.


Toots, CC, you are an exercise. :-|
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