Qualified Taxi drivers have earned the right, of unfettered access to the tools of their trade. To own or to drive a taxi, without having to pay hiked rentals or inflated artificial plate premiums.
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| Author: | Skull [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:46 pm ] |
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Qualified Taxi drivers have earned the right, of unfettered access to the tools of their trade. To own or to drive a taxi, without having to pay hiked rentals or inflated artificial plate premiums.
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| Author: | LongshanksED [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:21 pm ] |
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Qualified taxi drivers have shown they have gained/learned significant knowledge of the streets of Edinburgh to drive as a taxi driver. Its doesn't say anywhere when applying to for a taxi driver operators licence that you have access to a cab when you pass Much like a plumber. You can train and past the relevant exams but your not guaranteed a job at the end of it |
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:18 am ] |
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LongshanksED wrote: Qualified taxi drivers have shown they have gained/learned significant knowledge of the streets of Edinburgh to drive as a taxi driver. Its doesn't say anywhere when applying to for a taxi driver operators licence that you have access to a cab when you pass
Much like a plumber. You can train and past the relevant exams but your not guaranteed a job at the end of it I'll give you the opportunity to re-think your banal argument. I honestly hope, the above, is not the best you can come up with. 
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:22 am ] |
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LongshanksED wrote: Much like a plumber. You can train and past the relevant exams but your not guaranteed a job at the end of it Nobody says your plumber must work for someone else's company, rent a van & tools from someone else or buy them out. He could set up on his own if he so chooses, without buying out an existing plummer. The plumbing trade doesn't restrict the amount of pipe wrenches and plungers in use. |
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:32 am ] |
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gusmac wrote: LongshanksED wrote: Much like a plumber. You can train and past the relevant exams but your not guaranteed a job at the end of it Nobody says your plumber must work for someone else's company, rent a van & tools from someone else or buy them out. He could set up on his own if he so chooses. The plumbing trade doesn't restrict the amount of pipe wrenches and plungers in use. I can accept that LongshanksED, made a mistake with his comment. However, instead of pointing out the obvious, why don't we give Longshanks the chance to think about it, first? 
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:40 am ] |
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How about this, LongshanksED, you study, you sit a test, and you become qualified, but you can't have unfettered access to the tools to ply your trade?
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| Author: | Frank Lay [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:05 am ] |
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gusmac wrote: LongshanksED wrote: Much like a plumber. You can train and past the relevant exams but your not guaranteed a job at the end of it Nobody says your plumber must work for someone else's company, rent a van & tools from someone else or buy them out. He could set up on his own if he so chooses, without buying out an existing plummer. The plumbing trade doesn't restrict the amount of pipe wrenches and plungers in use. A plumber may find that business is not good where he lives as there is too many plumbers or not enough work, so he may have to move to another town. If the taxi licencing conditions dont suit you in Edinburgh, then maybe another town might suit you better. It's your choice. You might like to move to Cardiff or Dublin, You have lots of choices. |
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| Author: | LongshanksED [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:17 am ] |
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Franks post was pretty much what I was gonna say (i have posted this Elsewhere in the past) It's similar to the arguement that if you wanted to open a bar/nightclub in a city centre you can't just apply for a license for premises and get it. The council take in factors like how many bar/clubs there already are within a certain area and criteria |
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| Author: | Nigel [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:28 am ] |
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LongshanksED wrote: Franks post was pretty much what I was gonna say (i have posted this Elsewhere in the past)
It's similar to the arguement that if you wanted to open a bar/nightclub in a city centre you can't just apply for a license for premises and get it. The council take in factors like how many bar/clubs there already are within a certain area and criteria There you go Skull well and truly "OWNED". |
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| Author: | Jasbar [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:17 am ] |
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LongshanksED wrote: It's similar to the arguement that if you wanted to open a bar/nightclub in a city centre you can't just apply for a license for premises and get it. The council take in factors like how many bar/clubs there already are within a certain area and criteria
A council may grant a licence, grant with condition or refuse a licnce. This would be a matter of planning, not licensing. The policy to restrict is applied BEFORE the merits of each individual case are consiered. This does not happen in any other form of licensing. No other licence type has an inbuilt arbitrary restriction like taxis. It is this inbuilt restriction which discriminates between applicants and the existing lucky cartel. And this has never been tested for compliance with Human Rights. Now what is it about Aberdeen's Corporate Services Director's understanding of this that Edinburgh can't get its head around? |
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| Author: | LongshanksED [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:27 pm ] |
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Jasbar wrote: LongshanksED wrote: No other licence type has an inbuilt arbitrary restriction like taxis. It is this inbuilt restriction which discriminates between applicants and the existing lucky cartel. And this has never been tested for compliance with Human Rights. Now what is it about Aberdeen's Corporate Services Director's understanding of this that Edinburgh can't get its head around? Yes there are other licences that are restricted Look at Stanley casino. had to sell it's west end one at shandwick place when they opened the circus. Why? Because it was only allowed to hold a set number throughout the city as it's restricted and capped. |
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:42 pm ] |
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Frank Lay wrote: gusmac wrote: LongshanksED wrote: Much like a plumber. You can train and past the relevant exams but your not guaranteed a job at the end of it Nobody says your plumber must work for someone else's company, rent a van & tools from someone else or buy them out. He could set up on his own if he so chooses, without buying out an existing plummer. The plumbing trade doesn't restrict the amount of pipe wrenches and plungers in use. A plumber may find that business is not good where he lives as there is too many plumbers or not enough work, so he may have to move to another town. If the taxi licencing conditions dont suit you in Edinburgh, then maybe another town might suit you better. It's your choice. You might like to move to Cardiff or Dublin, You have lots of choices. I'm interested in your use of the word “choice” Frank. If a qualified driver truly did have a “choice”, as you claim, we would not be having this debate. He would simply set up shop in his area of “choice”, without having to move elsewhere, or to seek anyone's permission. The license to operate his own vehicle would be his by right. His “choice” to exercise this right would be his, and his alone. It would not be for you Frank, or anyone else to deny him his “choice”. His “choice” is simply to apply for a license and to be granted unfettered access to the tool of his trade. Hiked rentals and inflated artificial plate premiums, are borne out of the restrictions placed on his “choice”. If this were not, in fact, the case hiked rentals and inflated plate premiums, and the illegal black market trade in public property, would cease to exist.
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:52 pm ] |
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LongshanksED wrote: Jasbar wrote: LongshanksED wrote: No other licence type has an inbuilt arbitrary restriction like taxis. It is this inbuilt restriction which discriminates between applicants and the existing lucky cartel. And this has never been tested for compliance with Human Rights. Now what is it about Aberdeen's Corporate Services Director's understanding of this that Edinburgh can't get its head around? Yes there are other licences that are restricted Look at Stanley casino. had to sell it's west end one at shandwick place when they opened the circus. Why? Because it was only allowed to hold a set number throughout the city as it's restricted and capped. Gambling dens are subject to building and planning permission. It has nothing to do with vehicle licensing of any kind. It's like trying to compare Eggs, and apples. Talk about desperate
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| Author: | LongshanksED [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:01 pm ] |
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Skull wrote: LongshanksED wrote: Jasbar wrote: LongshanksED wrote: No other licence type has an inbuilt arbitrary restriction like taxis. It is this inbuilt restriction which discriminates between applicants and the existing lucky cartel. And this has never been tested for compliance with Human Rights. Now what is it about Aberdeen's Corporate Services Director's understanding of this that Edinburgh can't get its head around? Yes there are other licences that are restricted Look at Stanley casino. had to sell it's west end one at shandwick place when they opened the circus. Why? Because it was only allowed to hold a set number throughout the city as it's restricted and capped. Gambling dens are subject to building and planning permission. It has nothing to do with vehicle licensing of any kind. It's like trying to compare Eggs, and apples. Talk about desperate Taxis also restrictions similar to building and planning. pollution from emissions, overcrowding ranks, basic road traffic congestion! These are factors that are looked at also |
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:15 pm ] |
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LongshanksED wrote: Skull wrote: LongshanksED wrote: Jasbar wrote: LongshanksED wrote: No other licence type has an inbuilt arbitrary restriction like taxis. It is this inbuilt restriction which discriminates between applicants and the existing lucky cartel. And this has never been tested for compliance with Human Rights. Now what is it about Aberdeen's Corporate Services Director's understanding of this that Edinburgh can't get its head around? Yes there are other licences that are restricted Look at Stanley casino. had to sell it's west end one at shandwick place when they opened the circus. Why? Because it was only allowed to hold a set number throughout the city as it's restricted and capped. Gambling dens are subject to building and planning permission. It has nothing to do with vehicle licensing of any kind. It's like trying to compare Eggs, and apples. Talk about desperate Taxis also restrictions similar to building and planning. pollution from emissions, overcrowding ranks, basic road traffic congestion! These are factors that are looked at also Buildings are not driven along a road nor are they replaced after a couple of years. Oh and they don't have to be qualified to drive a building. A building may operate as a commercial outlet, but it's hardy going to start transporting people all over the city, for hire and reward. Same drivers, the same job, driving their own taxi - double shifted vehicles, become single shifted - the End. |
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