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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:00 am 
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Walk-out vow in 'taxi' civil war


Taxi drivers are to act as spies in a bid to catch rivals they claim are stealing their trade.

Charlie Oakes, chairman of the Bolton, Bury and Preston Hackney Carriage Association, said it would be sending its members out to stand around illegal ranks it claims are being formed by private hire drivers on Preston’s streets.

He has said the threat of his members going on strike or staging a go-slow protest around the city was also “still on the table.”

The association met with licensing chiefs at Preston Council recently to discuss concerns after a growing number of reports that private hire cabs were picking up fares which have not been booked.

Mr Oakes said: “We will be putting people out on the streets who are not known to the private hire trade and seeing if this is happening.

“If it is, we will take their details and gather our own bank of evidence to ensure these people are brought to book.

“Our members are out there to make a living and provide a service and this action by a minority of the private hire trade is making that impossible - all we want is a level playing field.”

But, today, the owner of one of Preston’s best-known cab firms said private hire drivers were “frightened” to pick up fares which were not booked after a number of sting operations by council licensing officials.

Mick Rooney, who runs Ribbleton Taxis, said that the problem had started to be enforced more strictly in recent years.

He said: “You don’t get points on your licence and get your taxi licence revoked, it’s your job that’s gone and everything.

“If you have been out and bought a half-decent car and got a licence, are you going to put all that at risk for a quick fare?

“The Hackney drivers are looking round trying to find someone to blame (for less work) but if people aren’t going to pubs they don’t need taxis.”

The Evening Post understands there is evidence of Hackney drivers illegally ranking in Lune Street, Glover’s Court and Friargate in recent months.

Mike Thorpe, head of licensing at the council, said crackdowns over plying for hire had been carried out, leading to three prosecutions pending, and said more action was planned.

He said: “We’ve got some information and we’re going to target some.

“We’ve only (got) limited enforcement resources and we welcome information on the trade out there which will help us direct our resources appropriately.

“We do have regular operations with the assistance of the police where plain clothes officers approach private hire drivers parked in the city centre to ask whether they’re free.

“If they reply in the affirmative they are cautioned and prosecuted at the magistrates’ court.

“While there’s the offence of illegally plying for hire, there’s another offence which is no valid insurance. People should not get in private hire vehicles unless they’ve pre-booked them because they’re not insured.

“We also take action against Hackney drivers for ranking up at non-designated ranks.”

source: http://www.lep.co.uk/news/

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We also take action against Hackney drivers for ranking up at non-designated ranks
But allow such ranking if it suits purpose to clear the streets...com'on...they canna have it both ways!


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3 prosecutions? in how many illegal pick-ups/ years? Hardly going to send shivers down anyone's spine is it! Shame they canna divert more licence fee funds to this enforcement...but then if they take the cars and drivers off the road there will be less licence fees for the council empire...its no really rocket science to understand the motives of these greedy swine!


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captain cab wrote:
“We do have regular operations with the assistance of the police where plain clothes officers approach private hire drivers parked in the city centre to ask whether they’re free.

If they reply in the affirmative
they are cautioned and prosecuted at the magistrates’ court.



Surely that's not all it takes. Perhaps that's why they haven't had any successful prosecutions. :lol:


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Councils as a rule will NOT accept complaints from other taxi drivers they need to get someone independent in to make "test Purchases" who could then hand their evidence to the council in the form of written statements receipts and details of the car and drivers badge numbers

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Dusty Bin wrote:
captain cab wrote:
“We do have regular operations with the assistance of the police where plain clothes officers approach private hire drivers parked in the city centre to ask whether they’re free.

If they reply in the affirmative
they are cautioned and prosecuted at the magistrates’ court.


Surely that's not all it takes. Perhaps that's why they haven't had any successful prosecutions. :lol:

Yes that's all it takes!!

The prosecutions are under 'Woodings' case law and it's very quick, less paperwork and very strong in court.

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Councils as a rule will NOT accept complaints from other taxi drivers they need to get someone independent in to make "test Purchases" who could then hand their evidence to the council in the form of written statements receipts and details of the car and drivers badge numbers

Under 'Woodings' case law you don't need test purchases, or receipts.

Birmingham licensing has been using this style of prosecution for about 2-3 years now.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
captain cab wrote:
“We do have regular operations with the assistance of the police where plain clothes officers approach private hire drivers parked in the city centre to ask whether they’re free.

If they reply in the affirmative
they are cautioned and prosecuted at the magistrates’ court.


Surely that's not all it takes. Perhaps that's why they haven't had any successful prosecutions. :lol:

Yes that's all it takes!!

The prosecutions are under 'Woodings' case law and it's very quick, less paperwork and very strong in court.

Got loads of loop holes, and I imagine the reason they have got loads of convictions is because drivers have pleaded guilty.

How many cases have there been were the drivers has challenged this, and what was the outcomes?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The prosecutions are under 'Woodings' case law and it's very quick, less paperwork and very strong in court.


Well I haven't read much in the way of the law on this, but in Woodings the following happened:

Quote:
'Are you free?'
The defendant replied:
'Yes.'

The officer said:
'Can you take us to Arnold?'
The defendant said:
'Whereabouts?'
The officer said:
'Main Road. How much is it going to be?'
The defendant said:
'Depends on where you are going.'
The Crown Court found that the officers then got in the car and disclosed who they were. They cautioned the defendant and asked if he realised that it was an offence for a private hire vehicle driver to offer or accept an offer for his vehicle for immediate hire. The defendant said:
'Yes.'


But you're saying that only the part in bold needs to happen for a prosecution?


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So what's the verdict then? :D


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Dusty Bin wrote:
So what's the verdict then? :D

The verdict is that it works in Brum.

How much conversation there is between scabbie pirate and licensing enforcement officer I don't know, but I'll ask if they record what is said and if I can have a listen to the recording.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Failing that I'll ask If I can come along next time they're out to have a listen to what is said.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Who knows what is said or how the drivers plead, but you seem to.

All I know is that it works in profusion in Brum and that's all I care about.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Who knows what is said or how the drivers plead, but you seem to.


No, I'm just quoting from the articles and case law, thus the same materials as you have access to.


All I know is that it works in profusion in Brum and that's all I care about.[/quote]

Yes, but it's pointless quoting the Woodings case in support of the John Inman scenario in Brum when there was obviously a lot more to it in Woodings.


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Dusty Bin wrote:
Yes, but it's pointless quoting the Woodings case in support of the John Inman scenario in Brum when there was obviously a lot more to it in Woodings.

In conversation perhaps or perhaps not, because we don't know the extent of conversations in subsequent cases prosecuted under Woodings.

The point is that the conversation content is immaterial to a great extent.

What is material is the simple transgression/s of the legislation as used in that case.

It's as simple as [if you'll excuse the expression], "Did the defendant fart or did he not fart?"

Now he either farted or he didn't!!!

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