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Author:  Jasbar [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:55 pm ]
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Evening News, Feb 3rd, 2012

Independence . . with EU in charge

ROBIN MacCormick (Letters, January 31) appears to believe that the forthcoming debate and referendum is to restore Scotland’s “independence”. It clearly isn’t.

Should Scotland vote for the Salmond proposal, it would be far from independent – still subordinate to another bigger, more remote, democratically unaccountable authority – the European Union.

It would still be shackled with all the existing institutions, power over our place in the world simply shifted from Westminister for the clique at Holyrood to give away.

Monetary control over our affairs would be reinvested beyond the British Isles, directly within Europe, our wee Scottish voice barely audible in the clamour for European political integration and empire building.

And we would simply replicate the archaic monarchy system to preserve privilege and rank in the new Scottish era, any pretence at egalitarian democracy a pipe dream.

This isn’t a referendum about Scots determining their own future.

The notion is as fatuous as the pursuit of these 20th century “wish politics” of the few seeking control over a dangerously disinterested many.

However, I’m delighted we’re going to be voting on it. Because, when the SNP loses the debate, there will be no further need for a so-called nationalist party promulgating “independence” for Scotland.

The SNP can disband and we can concentrate on developing our role within the big voice in Europe that is the UK Union.

So, will Alex Salmond commit himself to this?

Jim Taylor, Edinburgh
Author:  wee eddie [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:22 pm ]
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There's only one reason ~~~~~ Alex S. wants the be King Alex 1st!

On "gusmac's" advice I have changed King Alex the 1st to King Alexander the 4th!
Author:  gusmac [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:07 pm ]
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Jasbar wrote:

However, I’m delighted we’re going to be voting on it. Because, when the SNP loses the debate, there will be no further need for a so-called nationalist party promulgating “independence” for Scotland.

The SNP can disband and we can concentrate on developing our role within the big voice in Europe that is the UK Union.



So do you expect the supporters of independence to simply vanish post 2014, should they fail to gain a majority?
Author:  bloodnock [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:21 pm ]
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gusmac wrote:
Jasbar wrote:

However, I’m delighted we’re going to be voting on it. Because, when the SNP loses the debate, there will be no further need for a so-called nationalist party promulgating “independence” for Scotland.

The SNP can disband and we can concentrate on developing our role within the big voice in Europe that is the UK Union.



So do you expect the supporters of independence to simply vanish post 2014, should they fail to gain a majority?


God..I so ******* hope so!!!
Author:  gusmac [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:00 pm ]
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bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Jasbar wrote:

However, I’m delighted we’re going to be voting on it. Because, when the SNP loses the debate, there will be no further need for a so-called nationalist party promulgating “independence” for Scotland.

The SNP can disband and we can concentrate on developing our role within the big voice in Europe that is the UK Union.



So do you expect the supporters of independence to simply vanish post 2014, should they fail to gain a majority?


God..I so ******* hope so!!!


Then I fear you will be disappointed, whatever way the referendum goes 8)
Author:  gusmac [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:06 pm ]
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wee eddie wrote:
There's only one reason ~~~~~ Alex S. wants the be King Alex 1st!


I take it Scottish history isn't your strong suit Eddie?

Scotland has already had 3 kings with the name Alexander.
Author:  Jasbar [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:23 pm ]
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gusmac wrote:
wee eddie wrote:
There's only one reason ~~~~~ Alex S. wants the be King Alex 1st!


I take it Scottish history isn't your strong suit Eddie?

Scotland has already had 3 kings with the name Alexander.


And none of them were "Great"

:roll:
Author:  bloodnock [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:35 pm ]
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Then I fear you will be disappointed, whatever way the referendum goes 8)


No, I'll be just fine..No Independance and no chance of another referendum for at least 50 years...bliss.

Besides, the people of Scotland understand that we are an equal partner within the UK even if we have a minority of MP's...and thats a bloody sight better than being an even smaller minority under the thumb of the EU. We would have no say, we'd just get sh*t on by an even bigger beaurocracy.

At least as a part of the UK we can in part do our own thing...and possibly even leave the EU altogether if the common will of the British people sees fit to do so, and that could never happen under Eck the Snake.

A lot of the Big Business currently in Scotland will get hacked off with Ecks Nationalist small mindedness and leave Scotland for good....and they'll take the jobs with them, the SNP need a reality check, the Romantic Ideals of William Wallace and Robert the Bruce have no place in the 21st century, Today we have new challenges facing us in this overcrowded planet and these Challenges wont go away just because the Eck wants to Crawl back into his Isolationalist shell that was Scotland several hundred years ago.

And lastly I can just upsticks and move a mile south into the Eck free zone called England, I have as many relatives there as I have in Scotland because we're borderers first and foremost...
Author:  gusmac [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:58 pm ]
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no chance of another referendum for at least 50 years


Now what makes you think that :-k

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the people of Scotland understand that we are an equal partner within the UK


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  captain cab [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:03 pm ]
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bloodnock wrote:
we're borderers first and foremost...



=D> =D> =D>

CC
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:32 pm ]
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gusmac wrote:
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the people of Scotland understand that we are an equal partner within the UK


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now I'm as much a little Englander as you could ever wish (or not) to meet, but in all my life I have never considered Scotland or the other UK countries to be in any way inferior to my country.

And I don't know anyone who does.
Author:  gusmac [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:33 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:

And I don't know anyone who does.


You don't know Nidge then? :badgrin:
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:09 am ]
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gusmac wrote:
You don't know Nidge then? :badgrin:

I suspect he is jesting. :wink:
Author:  gusmac [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:02 am ]
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Sussex wrote:
gusmac wrote:
You don't know Nidge then? :badgrin:

I suspect he is jesting. :wink:


Aye, right. [-X
Author:  grumpy [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:59 am ]
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Sussex wrote:
gusmac wrote:
You don't know Nidge then? :badgrin:

I suspect he is jesting. :wink:


maybe so, but there's "many a true word spoken in jest". (as a wiser man than me once said) :wink:
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