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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines August 28, 2012 Black cab drivers have been wrongly issued with fixed penalty notices for using bus lanes after a council blunder. Some Reading cabbies received a flurry of tickets at the weekend, fining them for use on dates between Friday, August 10, and Friday, August 17. One driver was issued with 18 tickets and another with 12, even though it is legal for the taxis, which are wheelchair accessible, to use bus lanes. Mirza Beg received six tickets for driving in bus lanes in Friar Street and Stanshawe Road between Friday, August 10, and Sunday, August 12. He told getreading he called the council to let them know there had been a mistake, but was told to write to it with proof his cab was wheelchair-friendly. Mr Beg said: “I said ‘I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying. I’m a black cab licensed by RBC. It’s a purpose-built vehicle with a ramp inside’. “They are wasting money, they are saying they are strapped for cash. “The person that’s doing it, if they can’t see it’s a black cab – it can’t be any clearer.” Asif Rashid, who chairs Reading Taxi Association, said: “I don’t know what’s going on. “All these vehicles have been using these day in, day out and we’ve not had any problems at all. “All of a sudden last weekend drivers started receiving fixed penalty notices. “It seems that not everybody is getting them, only a select few vehicles and quite clearly in the pictures – because I’ve seen them – there’s a black cab taxi. “Suddenly receiving £1,000 worth of tickets through your letter box isn’t nice. “I just don’t know what’s going on. I’ve sent them back to the transport department and said you need to write it off. “It’s not just drivers receiving them when they shouldn’t be – but times of austerity when the council say they’ve got no money – how much money are they wasting by printing these off and sending them to people?” Reading Borough Council spokesman Dalitso Njolinjo said: “For a short period of time at the beginning of this month, certain RBC licensed Hackney Carriages were wrongly fined for driving in bus lanes. “This error was quickly recognised and all fines issued in error have been cancelled. “We apologise for an inconvenience caused.” Source; http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2119 ... lane_fines |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
let me guess a temp in the fines issuing office as holiday cover ? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
Brummie Cabbie wrote: Asif Rashid, who chairs Reading Taxi Association, said: “I don’t know what’s going on. Well I do, they have got a f***ing idiot issuing the tickets. |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
The signage can only state buses taxis and cyclists only, they cannot stipulate what type of taxi, so a saloon hack can by law use them |
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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
skippy41 wrote: The signage can only state buses taxis and cyclists only, they cannot stipulate what type of taxi, so a saloon hack can by law use them The signs in Nottingham state wheelchair accesable taxis. Are you saying that this is not legal? If so what legislation is being broken by the council? |
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| Author: | sasha [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
grandad wrote: The signs in Nottingham state wheelchair accesable taxis. Are you saying that this is not legal? If so what legislation is being broken by the council? There's an official Government statute that lists all the approved signs stating the colour, size, wording, font etc that are legal. Any that do not conform to the standards laid down are not approved and therefore not legal, which in turn means they cannot be enforced. This may be the legislation http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994 ... 22#match-1 If not you can search here ; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ also handy for searching all laws in the UK. So if there's no officially approved roadsign with the wording 'wheelchair accesible taxis' or the sign is the wrong size, shape or colour it cannot be enforced as in the eyes of the law no such sign exists, and if it doesn't exist you can't contravene it ! |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2049 ... orists_mad Any taxi then
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| Author: | sasha [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
Yes Skip, any taxi, as the sign states. Remembering that in law 'taxi' means hackney carriage. Should have also mentioned in my previous post that signs are not enforceable unless a TRO (Traffic Regulation Order) has been submitted by the LA to the relevant authority, used to be the Dept of Transport but didn't they change their name ? So if a stretch of road has signs stating 30mph but no TRO has been entered, or the TRO states a different limit then the signs are meaningless, it's things like this that Mr. Loophole makes his money from. So in the case of Nottingham not only do the signs have to be valid but a TRO that matches what the signs state must be in place as well, if either is missing or incorrect then they can't be enforced. |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
grandad wrote: skippy41 wrote: The signage can only state buses taxis and cyclists only, they cannot stipulate what type of taxi, so a saloon hack can by law use them The signs in Nottingham state wheelchair accesable taxis. Are you saying that this is not legal? If so what legislation is being broken by the council? I can vouch for that and I have also seen signs elsewhere that specify WAV's somewhere in Essex but I have forgotten where it was now so skippy can you quote the relevant legislation that says this is illegal ? |
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| Author: | sasha [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
In the case of Nottingham the sign is legal. DFT authorization notice here ; http://assets.dft.gov.uk/trafficauths/case-1975.pdf Taken from the website here ; http://www.dft.gov.uk/topics/tpm/traffic-signs-signals/ |
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| Author: | grandad [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
sasha wrote: In the case of Nottingham the sign is legal. DFT authorization notice here ; http://assets.dft.gov.uk/trafficauths/case-1975.pdf Taken from the website here ; http://www.dft.gov.uk/topics/tpm/traffic-signs-signals/ So because I took Skippy's advice and got a ticket in Nottingham, can I now sue him or TDO for issuing incorrect advice? 
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
Can you sue an internet persona? 
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| Author: | edders23 [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
gusmac wrote: Can you sue an internet persona? Yes because there is a real person behind that persona |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
edders23 wrote: Yes because there is a real person behind that persona Not sure that's a universal view. 
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Black cab drivers see red over bus-lane fines |
grandad wrote: skippy41 wrote: The signage can only state buses taxis and cyclists only, they cannot stipulate what type of taxi, so a saloon hack can by law use them The signs in Nottingham state wheelchair accesable taxis. Are you saying that this is not legal? If so what legislation is being broken by the council? If it ain't legal, then the council are probably displaying a non-DfT-approved traffic sign. The DfT have a big book of these that is available somewhere on the Internet. |
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