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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:14 am 
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Transport for London has announced that it will not renew Uber's private hire licence after concluding it is "not fit and proper".

The taxi-hailing app has around 40,000 drivers in London.

TfL said the taxi-hailing app had demonstrated "a lack of corporate responsibility in relation to a number of issues which have potential public safety and security implications".

It has informed the US-based company that it will not be issued with a new licence after the expiry of its current licence on 30 September.

http://news.sky.com/story/transport-for ... e-11047580


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:26 am 
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Awesome news, other big towns and city's take notice soon I hope. Next step, investors start withdrawing support then it's bye bye Uber!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:28 am 
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Ouch..


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:37 am 
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TfL press release

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press ... on-limited

Licensing decision on Uber London Limited

22 September 2017

Transport for London (TfL) has today (Friday 22 September) informed Uber London Limited that it will not be issued with a private hire operator licence after expiry of its current licence on 30 September.

TfL's regulation of London's taxi and private hire trades is designed to ensure passenger safety. Private hire operators must meet rigorous regulations, and demonstrate to TfL that they do so, in order to operate. TfL must also be satisfied that an operator is fit and proper to hold a licence.

TfL has concluded that Uber London Limited is not fit and proper to hold a private hire operator licence.

TfL considers that Uber's approach and conduct demonstrate a lack of corporate responsibility in relation to a number of issues which have potential public safety and security implications. These include:

•Its approach to reporting serious criminal offences.
•Its approach to how medical certificates are obtained.
•Its approach to how Enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) checks are obtained.
•Its approach to explaining the use of Greyball in London - software that could be used to block regulatory bodies from gaining full access to the app and prevent officials from undertaking regulatory or law enforcement duties.

The Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998 includes provision to appeal a licensing decision within 21 days of it being communicated to the applicant. Uber London Limited can continue to operate until any appeal processes have been exhausted.

No further comment will be made by TfL pending any appeal of this decision.

Notes to Editors:

•Uber London Limited was licenced as a Private Hire (PH) Operator in 2012. On 26 May TfL granted a 4-month PH Operator Licence whilst it concluded its consideration of a five year licence. This licence expires on 30 September.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:48 am 
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I would have thought that if they were found to be not fit and proper there license should be revoked immediately.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:54 am 
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They will be back . Make no doubt about it.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:40 pm 
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I'm amazed at that decision.

Not unhappy about it due to them using TfL cars countrywide, but amazed TfL had the balls to do it.

There will now be a PR onslaught by Uber, but the courts won't like the way Uber have conducted themselves.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:45 pm 
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Coopers wrote:
Awesome news, other big towns and city's take notice soon I hope. Next step, investors start withdrawing support then it's bye bye Uber!

TfL have found them not fit and proper at a corporate level, that has ramifications everywhere.

They can't be not fit and proper in London yet fit and proper in, say, Brighton.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:49 pm 
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youbeenbusy wrote:
They will be back . Make no doubt about it.

Maybe or maybe not.

TfL have the resources to fight this, whilst many other councils would be a lot more namby pamby about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:48 pm 
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Uber will PROBABLY get round this by going straight to the government who will order TFL to give them a license otherwise embarrassing facts about brown envelopes and jobs for the boys might emerge

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:11 pm 
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Rossendale are recruiting LO`s with a view to receiving 40,000 new applications.... :badgrin: :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:55 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Coopers wrote:
Awesome news, other big towns and city's take notice soon I hope. Next step, investors start withdrawing support then it's bye bye Uber!

TfL have found them not fit and proper at a corporate level, that has ramifications everywhere.

They can't be not fit and proper in London yet fit and proper in, say, Brighton.

You will find that they will be registered as different companies..

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:54 pm 
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Yes, they are registered under different company in Manchester...Its called Uber Brittania..

But then ...the question is....Since the companies are different...how can tfl drivers from London work

in Manchester using the same app ??

Something isn't right !

And, yes, they will get their London licence after agreeing to meet more stringent terms and conditions...It may include a time delay between booking and car being available to rider...
There is also a big issue with the booking...the rider books the vehicle seen on the atreets on the app...the driver accepts the request...and only then do uber come in and book the job on its system...that is not correct under the ph laws !


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cheshirebest wrote:
Yes, they are registered under different company in Manchester...Its called Uber Brittania..

But then ...the question is....Since the companies are different...how can tfl drivers from London work

in Manchester using the same app ??

Something isn't right !

And, yes, they will get their London licence after agreeing to meet more stringent terms and conditions...It may include a time delay between booking and car being available to rider...
There is also a big issue with the booking...the rider books the vehicle seen on the atreets on the app...the driver accepts the request...and only then do uber come in and book the job on its system...that is not correct under the ph laws !


Deregulation Act 2015
60. In the new section 55A, subsection (1) allows an operator who accepts a booking for a private hire vehicle to sub-contract it to four types of operator - (a) an operator licensed and located in the same district as the initial operator; (b) an operator licensed and located in a different district from the initial operator (a different district but one which is still governed by the same legislation – in practice this means a district in England or Wales but outside London or Plymouth); (c) an operator licensed and located in London; or (d) a person located in Scotland. Scenario (a) constitutes a re-statement of existing law – it is already lawful for a private hire vehicle operator to sub-contract a booking to another operator licensed in the same licensing district. Scenario (a) has been included because it is not currently expressly stated on the face of the Act and stating all four scenarios where an operator can sub-contract a booking in this amendment makes the law clearer and easier to follow

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:27 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
Uber will PROBABLY get round this by going straight to the government who will order TFL to give them a license otherwise embarrassing facts about brown envelopes and jobs for the boys might emerge

Not so sure.

It's now in the hands of the court, and most of them will never have used Uber, and I'm certain none of them will have ever been influenced by Uber.

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