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Author:  Sussex [ Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Plymouth trade still fighting dress and colour codes

Plymouth taxi drivers step up fight to reverse jeans ban and keep cabs black

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... up-7830587

Plymouth’s taxi drivers have written to all city councillors asking them to drop a ban on jeans and scrap plans to turn hackney carriages green and white. The Plymouth Licensed Taxi Association has penned the strongly worded letter claiming there has not been a proper consultation on the new taxi licensing policy.

The association has listed a range of grievances it says need addressing including the unpopular dress code which bans jeans, sandals and t-shirts. The letter said: “While licensees agree that drivers' dress should be of a certain standard, they strongly object to not being permitted to wear jeans that are in a good condition.”

The letter, signed by PLTA secretary Marin Leaves also asks for a rethink on moves to order all cabbies to change the colour of black hackney carriages to green and white by 2027. Mr Leaves’ letter said: “Rather than imposing a costly livery with consequences not considered an alternative is the Plymouth City Council coat of arms on the two front doors for which we are seeking permission through the correct channels for up to five vehicles to test public reactions and seek licensing authority approval. Additionally, the LA taxi Licence number could be placed upon the roof for easy identification by safety cameras.”

In April, Plymouth City Council approved the hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy 2022, which stipulated the famous black cabs must change hue. The council said the new livery will improve the visibility of cabs and reassure passengers that they are travelling in a licensed vehicle.

It also brought in other changes, but hackney drivers have never been happy with them and the letter says they have caused a “great deal of anguish” within the trade and are having a “detrimental effect” on the service to the public.

Mr Leaves’ letter states legislation says licensing authorities should consult on proposed changes in licensing rules that may have significant impact on passengers and/or the trade. He claims the council only carried out a survey and not a full consultation.

He wrote: “We submit that our licensing authority conducted a survey which is the collection of data for mapping an organisation or body of people for that purpose. It is also our opinion that our licensing authority has failed to consult as required by the Department for Transport.”

It was reported that the changes went out for consultation in November 2021 but Mr Leaves disputes this. He claimed that no councillor, or committee, has “sought information or advice, discussed or jointly considered, any detail with a single licensee”.

Among other issues raised in Mr Leaves’ letter, the PLTA is asking for card readers and CCTV in cabs to be optional. The association also wants private hire vehicles to have neither roof signs or the work taxi on them, saying that it confuses the public. It wants private hire vehicles to have their licence number written on the roof so it can be seen by safety cameras, and for the operator’s name to be on the rear door.

Mr Leaves said the PLTA wants a meeting with the portfolio holder and the taxi licensing committee, and to be consulted on the current policy and its suggestions “for an amicable solution to the current unrest of licensees”.

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Plymouth trade still fighting dress and colour codes

Nothing particularly new here, but slightly different angle. No mention of the recent fake driver case, though, which you'd think might be relevant as regards a lack of taxis and the safety implications, although that might strengthen the council's argument with regard to the colour code.

On the other hand, if someone will get into a two-door Fiesta 'taxi', what use a colour code for purpose-built HCs? :?


Plymouth's taxi shortage set to get worse as hackney drivers quit

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... se-8097953

Plymouth Licensed Taxi Association writes to councillors saying lack of cabs will hit hospitality businesses and put women at risk

Plymouth taxi drivers have warned the council that a shortage of cabbies is likely to worsen causing problems for the city’s hospitality businesses and women’s safety. In a strongly-worded letter to councillors the Plymouth Licensed Taxi Association (PLTA) said an increasing number of hackney drivers are being forced into retirement and accused the authority of being more interested in turning the colour of cabs from black to green and white.

Martin Leaves, secretary of the hackney cabbies’ PLTA, said he had requested a meeting with councillors from all parties but was “disappointed with the lack of response”. He said: “The only reply came from the independent group, saying they will look to meet us in the near future.”

Mr Leaves, a former Tory councillor and an honorary alderman, said he was “very disappointed with the way taxis are being ignored” by the administration. He called on voters and business owners to support moves to scrap the taxi policy brought in last year, and make it an issue in forthcoming elections.

Cabbies have been unhappy for nearly a year now since Plymouth City Council approved the Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy 2022 which removed the limit on hackney cab numbers and insisted the famous black cabs were coloured green and white by 2027 - something Mr Leaves said will cost drivers money.

His latest missive to councillors complains that drivers are struggling to make ends meet and are therefore leaving the trade or having to work exceptionally long hours.

He said the shortage of cabbies is having a negative impact on the city’s hospitality industry, with people staying at home rather than facing a long wait for a ride home. And he said it is also doing nothing to make women feel safer at night.

In his letter to councillors Mr Leaves wrote: “Here we are in a cost of living crisis, taxi drivers are being pushed into retirement due to the taxi policy, forcing taxi drivers out of pocket.”

He added: “The recent taxi policy which got implemented last May, has seen no new taxis brought into service, drivers are still walking away with no new blood coming into the trade. As a result over Christmas I lost count on how many people said they won't go out too much as it's too much hassle getting home, due to lack of taxis, which is all caused by the city council's taxi policy.

“Putting people off going out can be very damaging to our night time economy, hitting publicans and our hospitality businesses, putting more jobs at risk. At a time where we have vulnerable women struggling to get home safely, all this council seems to care about is having a taxi livery that’s not easy to get, nor is it cheap to do. But, really, is it more important to have green white taxis than to have no taxis at all?”

Mr Leaves stressed, in his letter, that he had been a “lifelong” Conservative and suggested councillors look up the principles of the Conservative party “which were once about deregulation, cutting red tape, letting business choose for themselves rather than be held back by central control”.

He wrote: “Why are they so tunnel visioned and sitting back watching drivers being forced out of work at a time we need more drivers to assist our city partners who rely on our service to bring customers to the hospitality businesses and take them home safely.”

Mr Leaves said that as a former councillor he understood the financial pressures facing the authority but stressed enforcement is still needed to tackle “illegal” parking on taxi ranks. And he said: “While parking charges are being increased there is little action to tackle the motorists who avoid paying parking fees, especially after 9pm where people park illegally and do not get a parking ticket.”

He wrote: “I share the anger of many customers who struggle to get a taxi. Please get behind us and lobby your councillors from now until the elections. I call on the hospitality and publicans to get behind the taxi trade which is being brought to its knees, we need this taxi killing policy to be stopped. Do we really want to be a city with no taxi service at a time when buses are being cancelled?”

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:19 pm ]
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Mr Leaves, a former Tory councillor and an honorary alderman, said he was “very disappointed with the way taxis are being ignored” by the administration. He called on voters and business owners to support moves to scrap the taxi policy brought in last year, and make it an issue in forthcoming elections.

Someone in the comments claiming that Mr Leaves was kicked out of the Tories rather than, er, Leaving :lol:

Not that that makes much difference to the point he's making, but I suspect it's wishful thinking on his part to try to make it into an election issue that will resonate with the electorate :?

And quite a few website comments about needing Uber in Plymouth. As usual, I'm sure Uber will have considered it by now #-o

Author:  edders23 [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:40 pm ]
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uber will arrive in Plymouth only as an Uber local operation in fact I would say everywhere else in the UK that Uber isn't already in will be an uber local operation or not at all.

In fact I thought there was one doing uber local down there but could well be my mind playing tricks as the fever has certainly befuddled my brain for now !

Author:  Chris the Fish [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:34 pm ]
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Right, don't think there is any mileage in doing quotes from the thread above.

The "Fake Driver Case" will certainly be brought to the attention of the Councillors, at the moment it is in the ammunition locker, it will be loaded and fired when needed.

Mr Leaves (Martin) is in the Conservative Party, he fought, and lost, in the last election. Up to him, but he may Stand again.

Uber is in Plymouth via "Needacab". Having a unique Act (PCC Act 1975), not 1976 Misc Prov, Uber would have to provide an Office to operate on its own in Plymouth.

Maybe going to the Press will encourage the Labour and Tory parties to talk to the Association. As it says, the Independents are prepared to do so.

Author:  Sussex [ Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:01 pm ]
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I still don't get why taxi drivers are banging on about the lack of taxi drivers.

In my view they should be jumping for joy.

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Author:  Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Plymouth trade still fighting dress and colour codes

Sussex wrote:
I still don't get why taxi drivers are banging on about the lack of taxi drivers.

In my view they should be jumping for joy.

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Many assume that's beneficial.

However, when people struggle to get taxis due to shortage or experience long delays waiting after their booking slot then after a while they change their behavior due to frustration etc.

Examples include drinking at home with family and friends instead of going out, arranging a friend or family member to pick them up personally, using the local bus service or just going out less frequently etc.

This obviously lowers demand so there is less work for the fewer taxi drivers than there was before and on it goes into a vicious declining manner.

It is in every-bodies interest to encourage as many taxis on the road as possible. This not only lowers fares for the consumers but increases work load for the drivers and maximizes efficiency such as less dead mileage.

When there are more cabs on the road incomes will be higher. Perhaps a paradox but this is shown to be the case from economic studies on many industries from many countries in many older economic books.

Author:  Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Plymouth trade still fighting dress and colour codes

The shortages will probably start to get severe in this year going into 2024 across the industry.

If I am not mistaken Plymouth council require all new PH vehicles to be no older than 2016 due to emission standards etc.

This will add another major barrier to entry for potential applicants and prevent many from going into the industry who want to use their own vehicle and not rent from another operator.

Councils around the country are going to learn their lessons the hard way.

Author:  Sussex [ Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Plymouth trade still fighting dress and colour codes

And now the council seem open to binning off the new livery, as well as PH knowledge, yet they want black jeans to stay. :lol:

https://www.plymouth.gov.uk/changes-pro ... ire-policy

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