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Author:  StuartW [ Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

This is on the Echo's website. Not only is the possible cross-border issue not mentioned, but the passage about the legality of an HCD using the meter isn't just clunky English, it's an utter car crash :lol:

Or maybe it's just me, but see who else on here, er, construes what the journalist says in the same way as I did...


I was shocked when the cab driver named his price - things have to change

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... e-28017717

After a battle to get home, ECHO reporter Dan Haygarth calls for change in Merseyside's late night transport offering

After Uber let me down, I thought the black cab coming into view would be my saviour.

It was the early hours of Sunday. I'd been out for a few beers and had maybe stayed out a bit late, so I decided it was time to head home.

My night out came after a late shift at the ECHO's Liverpool city centre office. I clocked off shortly after 11pm, so made my way to Dale Street bar Dead Crafty for a Halloween party. After a few beers, I called it a night at around 3.30am.

A cab or a private hire taxi were my options to make the approximately 4.5 mile journey home to suburban Liverpool. The last Merseyrail heading in that direction left Moorfields before midnight and any night buses that could've helped the journey were axed during the pandemic.

I first opened the Uber app and was greeted by an appropriate scare for the Halloween weekend. £23 was Uber's offer. It was an offer I did not take.

The journey back from town usually costs in the region of £11 to £15, which I can just about put up with. Now, I accept that the Saturday just gone was a very busy one.

The Saturday before Halloween was always going to be heaving and Uber's prices were going to surge. I didn't expect a jump of that size, though.

However, the next fright was delivered when I flagged a black cab on Dale Street, opposite Thomas Rigby's. Hoping the driver would be friendlier than Uber's algorithm, I told him my destination.

He then informed me it would cost £30 to get me there. That journey has never cost me close to £30 in my life - usually the meter would've hit a maximum of £15 in a black cab before I stumble out and head for the front door.

Regardless, black cab drivers cannot quote you a price and must go off the meter. But I got the impression that this driver had no interest in doing that and fancied his chances of getting £30 from me.

Thinking I'd find a better offer easily, I decided to wander in the direction of Water Street.

I was wrong. I spent the next half an hour fruitlessly wandering around the city centre - down from Water Street to The Strand, then back up Duke Street and finally around to the Bombed Out Church as I searched for a black cab or a lower Uber price.

In the end, I had to settle for a £18.60 fare on Uber. That was a result that I was not happy with.

My colleague Jamie Greer recently wrote about his frustrations of getting a cab back to the Wirral after nights out. Things aren't much better if you're going from town to the city's suburbs.

We don't have the tunnels to contend with, but an increasingly pricey taxi journey is the only option once the last trains or buses have departed. On busy nights, fares are getting to a point which are frankly unaffordable.

It should not be like this. Things can be better.

Every time I visit friends in London, I'm impressed by the city's night buses and tubes. They are affordable and environmentally-friendly ways of getting home from a night out, which other cities should aspire to replicate.

I appreciate that London is the capital and has a much bigger population than us. But I'm also very aware that we could only dream of the public transport luxury that they enjoy.

The night buses that we had in Merseyside until the pandemic were a step in the right direction. Hospitality businesses and MPs have recently called to reinstate them, saying that the cheaper options would increase footfall for venues and offer more safe options for people to get home.

Late night public transport ran in Merseyside during Eurovision and it was great to have. Here's hoping it could become a permanent solution.

It is an idea that the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority is open to. In June of this year, a spokesperson said: “We are in talks with private operators and stakeholders, including the LCR Music Board, to explore the feasibility of a late night bus trial between Liverpool and the Wirral and will provide an update as soon as possible."

The return of night buses and trains would be a gamechanger. Hospitality is Liverpool's lifeblood - those using that industry shouldn't have to pay so much to get home.

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

Echo journalist wrote:
Regardless, black cab drivers cannot quote you a price and must go off the meter.

'Off the meter' or 'off-meter' to me reads like an, er, off-meter fare :lol:

Re-reading it I see what he means, but talk about potentially confusing...

Anyway, the possible cross-border aspect isn't mentioned, thus it's not clear whether the driver's quote was legal or not - presumably if it was a regulated on-meter fare then the driver was acting illegally, but who knows :?

On the other hand, looking at the council's tariff card from 2022 (ironically could only find a copy on the Wirral Council website...), there's some kind of four-mile rule there about cross-border runs and quoted fares - looks like Liverpool City council have extended the city boundary by four miles when it comes to whether or not HC fares are on- or off-meter :roll:

But, I mean, have a read of this. And then there was a piece earlier this year about a tariff change that said the basic rate applied for runs to around 40,000 yards? :-s

Liverpool HC tariff card wrote:
Journeys ending 4 miles or more beyond the
nearest boundary of the City of Liverpool


For journeys ending 4 miles or more beyond the nearest boundary of the City of
Liverpool, the driver is not obliged to accept the hiring but if he/she does so the
following will apply:

• Either the hirer can agree the fare or rate of fare (such as the E Rate) with the
driver before the journey commences in which case the driver must not
demand more than the agreed fare or rate of fare.

• Or if no such agreement is made before the journey commences the driver
must engage the meter in accordance with the applicable D, N, S or E rate
and must not demand a fare greater than that shown on the meter at the
conclusion of the journey (plus any of the Permitted Additional Charges). For
journeys ending 4 miles or more beyond the nearest boundary of the City of
Liverpool the driver may request you to pay the estimated fare/deposit up-
front. If you do not agree you may be refused travel. No such request should
be made in respect of journeys which end within Liverpool or less than 4 miles
beyond the nearest boundary of Liverpool.

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

And, I mean, that's just part of the tariff card, but how may councillors, drivers or members of the public can really comprehend the likes of that, particularly during a ten-minute journey in the early hours, say?

Could maybe sit down for a wee while and make sense of it all, but to be honest I really just can't be bothered [-(

And, to be fair, the journalist makes a good enough case about what looks like an element of price-gouging but, as is usual with this kind of stuff, it doesn't really cut it as regards the fine detail...

Author:  edders23 [ Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

This journo is surprisingly clued up about taxis perhaps something to do with that rags predilection for stories about our trade. However to establish whether the first black cab was in the right or not would require calculating the distance from boundary of pick up point and drop off point which we don't know.


This is another negative story about our trade but it demonstates that punters expect to go out on the busiest nights of the year and expect unlimited avaiability at cheap prices. In many industries especially travel; premium prices are charged for the busiest times (try booking a package holiday in school summer break periods).

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

Quote:
In the end, I had to settle for a £18.60 fare on Uber. That was a result that I was not happy with.

So he was happy to pay £15 in a black cab, but not happy to pay £18.60 in a PH Uber. :-k

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

Quote:
Every time I visit friends in London, I'm impressed by the city's night buses and tubes.

Who would have thought that the travel options in the largest city in Europe, and one of the most popular cities in the world, are at a higher level than Liverpool's? :-k

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

Quote:
The night buses that we had in Merseyside until the pandemic were a step in the right direction.

I suspect they stopped because cheapstake ****s like you didn't want to pay extra for them.

Author:  edders23 [ Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Echo journalist sows confusion over Liverpool HC tariffs

Sussex wrote:
Quote:
The night buses that we had in Merseyside until the pandemic were a step in the right direction.

I suspect they stopped because cheapstake ****s like you didn't want to pay extra for them.



or the drivers didn't feel safe. :wink:

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