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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:04 pm 
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Where to start with some of this :-o

Thought this was one of the councils that have featured on here before regarding card payments, but I think it's actually a new one.

And looks like it's Tonbridge and Malling Council rather than Tunbridge Wells - the latter has I think featured on here before...

But sounds like the trade here a bit more like my own gaff rather than the fewer-drivers-than-before lockdown scenario in B&H :?


Councillor says women’s safety is being put at risk by cab drivers at Tonbridge Station who refuse short-distance fares and turn away those without cash

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/tonbridge/ ... ca-304224/

Women’s safety is being put at risk by taxi drivers refusing their fares, a councillor has alleged.

Cllr Anna Cope (Green) claims there is a problem with some taxi drivers at Tonbridge Station who were refusing to accept passengers who were travelling only a short distance or who didn’t have cash.

Under the regulations, taxi drivers must accept the first fare that hails them, no matter what the distance. But one driver has claimed it leaves them out of pocket if the distance is too short.

Since February, in Tonbridge, they have also been obliged to carry equipment to take card payments, but Cllr Cope said that was being frequently ignored with drivers saying their machines were not working.

She said: “The result is that women are being forced to walk home alone, which at night, can be quite worrying.”

Cllr Cope experienced this herself when she arrived at Tonbridge Station at 11.30pm after a night out in Tunbridge Wells with a friend. The taxi driver refused to take her the four-minute journey to her home just under a mile away.

When she posted about her experience on the Tonbridge Mums Facebook page, she was deluged with a wealth of responses from other women who had had similar ordeals.

Cllr Cope said: “Obviously, what we should do is take the details of the cab and report the driver - he would probably be suspended for a period.

“But as a woman alone, it is quite intimidating to stand there and take down their details, especially when you have just told them your address.”

Among those who say they have been refused a ride are pregnant and disabled women.

Cllr Cope said: “Some even said they are now getting off at Sevenoaks Station and getting a cab from there, rather than face the issues at Tonbridge Station.”

Cllr Cope believes the problem is widespread. She said: “There have been too many instances for it to be just one or two rogue drivers.”

Cllr Cope said: “Obviously, what we should do is take the details of the cab and report the driver - he would probably be suspended for a period.

“But as a woman alone, it is quite intimidating to stand there and take down their details, especially when you have just told them your address.”

Among those who say they have been refused a ride are pregnant and disabled women.

Cllr Cope said: “Some even said they are now getting off at Sevenoaks Station and getting a cab from there, rather than face the issues at Tonbridge Station.”

Cllr Cope believes the problem is widespread. She said: “There have been too many instances for it to be just one or two rogue drivers.”

Other people who experienced the issues including a woman claiming up to 12 taxis denied her custom, another saying they don't even try to get a cab anymore and a third saying it had happened on numerous occasions and once had to walk home in the rain "for an hour".

But it seems that it is not just women who experience difficulties, with one woman saying: “My husband tried to get a taxi around midnight and was refused by three drivers as his journey was too short.”

Cllr Cope suggested one solution might be for the council to engage a taxi marshal to be present at the rank to ensure taxis are accepting fares correctly.

She said: “A permanent marshal would be too much to expect, but if one could be there in the evenings on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, I think that would cover the peak period when this happens.”

Cllr Cope tried to get the matter introduced at a meeting of the borough’s licensing and appeal committee on Tuesday but was told it was not a sufficiently urgent enough matter to be added to the agenda in that way.

Instead, it will be discussed at the next meeting of the committee in June.

Anthony Garnett, the head of service for licensing, who is in charge of taxis, assured her: “When we do have a complaint come in, I always make available my senior licensing officer who is female so that they (women) can feel more comfortable giving the details. If we do get the evidence, we have no hesitation or equivocation in bringing drivers before a licensing hearing.”

Anyone wishing to complain about a taxi driver should email licensing.services@tmbc.gov.uk

A taxi driver who works at the rank and asked not to be named, suggests the issue is with transaction fees not making the journey worthwhile.

He said: “Since the new regulations came into force, everyone has to accept cards. No question.

“I think perhaps some of those complaints may have come from before the change in regulation when it was up to the drivers whether to accept cards or not.

“I’ve been taking cards since 2015, but it is a pain. You have to pay a transaction fee every time that varies between 1.7% to 2.7%, which actually is a lot lower than when I first started doing cards when it was 5%.

“But it still costs me about £1,500 a year, and you can’t claim that back against tax. We have to pay to be paid.

“It’s also true that although there is a facility to give a tip with a card, 99% of fares don’t do so. When you take cash, nearly everyone says ‘Keep the change.’”

As regards drivers refusing to take short journey fares, he said that was because there were too many taxis chasing too little business.

He said: “Since Covid, our trade has halved. So many people are working from home these days, there are fewer fares to pick up.

“That means that as a driver I can be waiting at the rank for 45 minutes, sometimes an hour and a half for a job.

“If you have waited all that time and then someone just wants to go round the corner and the meter doesn’t even get off the standard £4 fare, it is disappointing.

“You will take £4, out of which you have to pay the transaction fee, then you have to go to the back of the queue.

“But you just have to do it.

“The rule is that if you refuse a fare, you have to pull out of the rank and go to the back of the queue anyway.”

The driver, who has been a cabbie since 2017, said: “I know some drivers have refused short-distance fares. I think it’s mostly the newer drivers who don’t understand the rules.

“But none would leave a pregnant lady stranded, as has been alleged.

“There is another side to this story. Just the other day, I had a woman with three young kids and a baby ask me to take her to Pembury Hospital. When we got there, she just said: ’Sorry, I haven’t got any money,’ and walked off. What was I to do?

“We’ve all had experiences like that.”

Last Tuesday, Tonbridge and Malling councillors considered a petition from taxi drivers to put a cap on the number of driver’s licences they issued. The council refused.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:05 pm 
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Female Green councillor wrote:
“But as a woman alone, it is quite intimidating to stand there and take down their details, especially when you have just told them your address.”

'Intimidating' to take quick mental note of plate number and maybe some details about the car?

But presumably another woman who wouldn't manage to actually drive a taxi, but expects the men to suck it up :roll:

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
“I’ve been taking cards since 2015, but it is a pain. You have to pay a transaction fee every time that varies between 1.7% to 2.7%, which actually is a lot lower than when I first started doing cards when it was 5%."

Who's still paying 2.7% in card transaction fees? :?

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
“But it still costs me about £1,500 a year, and you can’t claim that back against tax. We have to pay to be paid."

If the transaction charge is the standard 1.7% then he must be grossing almost £90k :-o

Either he's a bit of a daftie, or he's just lacking in self-awareness about how a driver grossing £90k looks like in terms of refusing runs because they're too short.

(Hint - if it's a short run then because the card fee is a percentage, then the fee on short run is peanuts...6.8p, precisely, on the £4 run he cites.)

His point about tax is also nonsense - the card fee is an expense that reduces taxable profits like any other expense like fuel, repairs or licensing fees. He makes it sound like the card fees are not deductible from profits. What does he expect - that the taxman will actually refund your fuel, repairs and card fee costs? :lol:

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
“The rule is that if you refuse a fare, you have to pull out of the rank and go to the back of the queue anyway.”

No, that's not the rule :roll:

Well, at least that won't be the official council rules. Maybe drivers at the station have their own informal system. But somehow I can't believe a driver would wait an hour on the rank then refuse a short run and then go to the back of the rank :lol:

I mean, I can see the rationale for refusing a short run, but not if you have to go to the back of the rank :-s

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
“I know some drivers have refused short-distance fares. I think it’s mostly the newer drivers who don’t understand the rules."

To be fair, sounds like you don't know the rules either [-(

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
Since Covid, our trade has halved. So many people are working from home these days, there are fewer fares to pick up."

So your gross take was £180,000 per year before lockdown? :lol:

Mind you, if you were doing double-shifts in Glasgow six-days per week, you wouldn't be far off figures like that :-o

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
“But none would leave a pregnant lady stranded, as has been alleged."

How would you necessarily know the lady was pregnant? It's not always obvious, and normally pregnant women don't have a sign on their head saying 'I'm pregnant' :?

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
“It’s also true that although there is a facility to give a tip with a card, 99% of fares don’t do so. When you take cash, nearly everyone says ‘Keep the change.’”

'Nearly everyone' who pays cash says 'keep the change'?

He's obviously never dealt with the likes of students in St Andrews. For years the T2 run to the main halls of residence was £4.95. The vast majority didn't leave the 5p tip :x

For years another hall from the station was £9.90 on T1...you can guess the rest :sad:

I know the tip thing is certainly a downside of card payments, but unfortunately it's not going to go away, and the move away from cash isn't going to be reversed, so we'll just have to suck it up :?

Tonbridge HCD wrote:
“I think perhaps some of those complaints may have come from before the change in regulation when it was up to the drivers whether to accept cards or not."

I suspect he's right, and a very fair point about the Facebook stuff and the like. And, of course, his point about the runner is also a very fair point - as with a lot of stuff, the powers that be give the distinct impression that it's all one-way - zero tolerance when drivers break the rules, but a different approach when it's the customers [-(

But, more generally, what I've always said about brooming short runs is that we have to take the bad with the good, and if customers end up using alternative transport means, then all the drivers lose out at the end of the day.

Alternatively, if some drivers get away with brooming RTC jobs, but the run goes to another car, then the cheating drivers gain, while other drivers lose out :?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:06 pm 
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But I really haven't got much to say about the likes of card payments :oops:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 4:08 pm 
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Last Tuesday, Tonbridge and Malling councillors considered a petition from taxi drivers to put a cap on the number of driver’s licences they issued. The council refused.

Well that would be illegal anyway, so unsurprising the council refused :?

But I suspect the request was actually to cap plates rather than badges :idea:


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But one driver has claimed it leaves them out of pocket if the distance is too short.

F***ing numpty.

2p in the pound. #-o

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:54 pm 
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Since February, in Tonbridge, they have also been obliged to carry equipment to take card payments, but Cllr Cope said that was being frequently ignored with drivers saying their machines were not working.

If the same driver is repeating the same lie, then suspend them.

Councils need to enforce their rules, councillors moaning to the press achieves nothing.

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“But it still costs me about £1,500 a year, and you can’t claim that back against tax. We have to pay to be paid.

Most card readers charge about 1.7% (ish), so this fella takes £87,000 a year just on card payments. [-(

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He said: “Since Covid, our trade has halved. So many people are working from home these days, there are fewer fares to pick up.

Have you lost trade because of covid or the cost of living crisis? Or is it because of the kind of attitudes to punters that you are expressing?

The likes of Uber must love hackney drivers like you. [-(

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“But it still costs me about £1,500 a year, and you can’t claim that back against tax. We have to pay to be paid.

Most card readers charge about 1.7% (ish), so this fella takes £87,000 a year just on card payments. [-(



or a flashy salesman has conned him into a worldpay contract :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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“But it still costs me about £1,500 a year, and you can’t claim that back against tax. We have to pay to be paid.

Most card readers charge about 1.7% (ish), so this fella takes £87,000 a year just on card payments. [-(

Good point - not sure why I missed that, but the figures he was using related just to his card work, and not cash?

So if his work has 'halved', how much was he taking before lockdown? A quarter million? :-o


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Im sure you can claim the banks presentage against tax.


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